My Point By kz1000st (Read 1,751 times)

[jct842]

Every one of the so called elite name brands including jap and European ones go thru the same pdi thing as the chinese owners are "supposed" to do. The thing is so many of the chinese scooters don't get that luxury. Then the lazy arse that skipped it is the first one to claim they are nothing but junk. All of the name brands as a part of the franchise or dealership agreement require the dealer to do the pdi. Look at the high level of manufacturing that took place building the space shuttles,.....and the failures there. Yup even the military grade machinery fails and look at all the recalls on the big airliners. crap BREAKS on any thing man has ever put together.

The boys and girls who expect to never have to touch a wrench to scooter have more learning to do, no matter who built it some one will need a wrench set and need to get dirty fixing it. (UNLESS....they own a trailer and use it to take the scooter to starbucks)

[LUKE]

at the end of the day, and at the end of this long talk about chinese vs name brands scooters, its not the place where the scooter was assembled together or made from wherever and whatever, its always the QUALITY of materials used to manufacture the parts.

can you snap a japanese made bolt and nut with normal use?not a chance!!
well i can break a chinese made bolt and nut using only my teeth and jaw!!! how bout that as an analogy?


pots and pans

[FACE PLANT FOR LIFE]

I don't know how you're capable of that, Luke. Unless you were to heat up the metal to an almost melting point and then tried to break it with your jaw. I've never broken a Chinese bolt by accident. I had the unfortunate incident where a bolt broke in my CVT cover, but it was MY fault, it was cross threaded and I was too rough with it. Any bolt, American, Chinese, Japenese, would have failed the same way. While I can't say the same about the ABS plastic, I'm hoping that one day they will upgrade their plastic quality. Other than that, my scooter has 4451 miles on it with absolutely no major engine work besides valve adjustments, and only a couple bulb replacements. I bet you I only have $350 TOTAL in the bike (including the purchasing price at $200). So $350 for the past two years of fun and close to 3000 miles of riding? I would spend it again.

[fugaziiv]

Aug 19, 2014 14:42:20 GMT -6 LUKE said:

at the end of the day, and at the end of this long talk about chinese vs name brands scooters, its not the place where the scooter was assembled together or made from wherever and whatever, its always the QUALITY of materials used to manufacture the parts.

can you snap a japanese made bolt and nut with normal use?not a chance!!
well i can break a chinese made bolt and nut using only my teeth and jaw!!! how bout that as an analogy?


pots and pans

Not that I want to be "that guy", but here goes...

I've successfully broken many Japanese, Chinese, British, Italian, German and many, many American bolts on motorcycles (and cars, and boats...) over the years. They all snap pretty easily it turns out.

The reality is the Chinese bikes are getting a lot better, to the point that many of the major brands are doing their assembly in China on much of their small displacement product, and even Chinese product from various mainland manufacturers is (and has been) getting much, much better.

Y'see Luke, here is the problem with your argument: The "bad" stuff is getting better every passing year, and it won't be long until it is just as good (or even better sometimes) than what is currently the "good" stuff. At least in perception. The reality is, there isn't much difference right now between the two. Every machine has it's pros and cons. With a Japanese bike, you get what you pay for. With a Chinese bike, right now, considering the price, you tend to get a bit more than you paid for.

So which is really the better deal?


Matt

[kz1000st]

And if you had any reading comprehension skills you would have noticed that my Chinese scooter had a Bando belt in it which wore out, dried and cracked. My 150cc has a Gates belt made in China and it's still chugging along just fine in the same amount of time. Cheap Japanese junk just doesn't hold a candle to a fine Chinese made product. Bridgestone tires are no better either. Hopefully I can find a fine Chinese made tire to replace it.

And your arguments would hold a lot more weight if you actually rode anywhere. Trailer miles to prevent breakdowns doesn't cut it.

Unlike my noble scooter which I actually ride. Here read all about its latest adventure.

www.twowheeler.yolasite.com