New Scooter... Help me identify and trouble shoot By skooter (Read 4,803 times)

[skooter]

Hello to everyone!

Today I was able to pick up a scooter. It's my first scooter, but I do have background in motocross and bikes etc.

I have a few questions so if everyone could just be patient I'll try to make this easy.

I am really not sure what brand the scooter is to be honest. It's a few years old, and it's going to need to help, lol

Is there a website that sells scooter parts?
I posted a picture of what it looks like.

It does crank and has battery power. But it won't start.

So far: I know this.

It will probably need a new charge on the battery. It will need some new gas, and possibly the carb to be cleaned.

What are some other things I can check for to try and get this scooter running? Is there anything I should focus on common problems?

I would look to go over this thing real good and fix any issues so i not left stranded somewhere. I am trying to give it a good once over top to bottom.

Thanks for the help, and I look forward to being part of the scooter community.

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[sprocket]

Welcome skooter!

Has it got spark at the plug?

You should be able to kickstart it with no battery in it...

If it was in storage with gas in the tank, then you will have to drain and clean the entire fuel system. They get varnished up really easily. The jets are extremely fine and they get plugged with crud.

You will also need to take the carb off and apart and soak it overnight in carb cleaner.

Then run a very thin wire (twist tie) , or a high E guitar string through the jets. Put it all back together.

Some scooters will not start if the side stand is down.
Some scooters will only start when it is on the centre stand.
Check the position of the kill switch.
Pull the left brake handle when you try and start it...

Are the rear brake lights coming on when you turn the key?

[skooter]

Feb 26, 2011 17:35:00 GMT -6 sprocket said:

Welcome skooter!

Has it got spark at the plug?

You should be able to kickstart it with no battery in it...

If it was in storage with gas in the tank, then you will have to drain and clean the entire fuel system. They get varnished up really easily. The jets are extremely fine and they get plugged with crud.

You will also need to take the carb off and apart and soak it overnight in carb cleaner.

Then run a very thin wire (twist tie) , or a high E guitar string through the jets. Put it all back together.

Some scooters will not start if the side stand is down.
Some scooters will only start when it is on the centre stand.
Check the position of the kill switch.
Pull the left brake handle when you try and start it...

Are the rear brake lights coming on when you turn the key?

I will check those things out tomorrow and post back here.

This is my first skooter so I'm learning as i go. I can imagine it's going to need a good cleaning and the carb cleaned, fresh fuel, fully charged battery etc.

It has high mileage as well, but it did run as of 4 months ago.

I may end up putting a new motor in, or maybe big bore kit.

Are there any sites that sell parts for these things?

[Cruiser]

Welcome to Scooter Doc, skooter. The scoot you have has either a 50cc or 150cc GY6 style engine. Here's where the ID number is right above the center stand on the engine casing left side as you sit on the scoot. This is a 50cc scoot pictured:



Hard starting is often caused by tight valve clearances in these engines. The auto enricher could also be at fault. Make sure you have a spark at the plug. If that's OK, then spray some carb cleaner in the inlet side of the carb and see if it tries to start. If it does start momentarily, then you most likely have a fuel delivery problem or the auto enricher is not working. If you don't get any results with the carb cleaner, then compression is probably not good, but that could be caused by valves out of adjustment.

If the battery is weak, the scoot should start with the kick start if everything else of OK.

The advice above is a quick check. Once you can identify where the problem is (gas, spark, or compression) let us know and we have many members ready to give help if needed.

Parts for either the 50 or 150cc scoots are very plentiful. All the banner advertisers carry these scoots and most can help you with parts.

[Bashan]

Sage advice from two powerhouse tech guys, I can't think of much to add, but that never stopped me! If you go to this site and look up the VIN it'll tell you where your scooter was made. Usually, by knowing which factory it came from you'll know what make of scooter you have. However, it's really an academic issue since most Sino-scoots are the same once you get the plastic off, or before you get the plastic off . Here's an onsite checklist you can go through to see if there's anything you might be missing. Oh yeah, and welcome to Scooter Doc, let me know if you need anything. Rich

[skooter]

OK everyone thanks for the tips.

I was able to charge the battery, and add gas. The scooter turns over but it won't start. It is pumping fuel through the lines. I checked the spark plug but it looks like the spark plug boot is cracked, and a piece is missing. (maybe this is where my problem is)

This is going to be some project for sure, haha.

[sprocket]

>>>I checked the spark plug but it looks like the spark plug boot is cracked, and a piece is missing.

You should still check the spark. Get a new or used plug and hold the metal part of the plug to the engine head of the scooter and turn it over. You should see a blue flash and hear a crack sound.

In a pinch you can use any boot from an automotive store, that screws on to the lead wire. I really like the new neoprene boots. They are flexible and don't crack and really hold on to the spark plugs very well...

The stock boots have springs inside them that wear and loose tension or fall right out...causing a spark to jump inside the boot, rather than at the plug.

[skooter]

Thanks for the info. Where can i get a cheap replacement spark plug boot?

I checked the 1 link above but I couldnt find the boot.

[Alleyoop]

Is this what you are looking for.
Alleyoop
www.buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=210&category_id=18

[skooter]

Feb 27, 2011 12:58:16 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

Is this what you are looking for.
Alleyoop
www.buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=210&category_id=18

That's it! Thank you very much!

I can tell this is going to be a project, but it's going to be fun getting it working again.

Also thank you to everyone who is helping me with this scooter.

[skooter]

Is there a way to upgrade the performance of the 50cc scooter?

Or would a 150 conversion be the best route to go?

[madcollie]

Feb 27, 2011 19:15:19 GMT -6 skooter said:

Is there a way to upgrade the performance of the 50cc scooter?

Skooter, I know your new here but have you read any of the threads in this section?
There are more ways to upgrade than you can shake a stick at. A lot depends on what you want to get out of the $$ you spend. Everything from roller weights to BBKs (big bore kits), re-jetting to performance exhausts.

I'm not trying to be mean, so please ask any and all questions you have.

M/C

Oh, btw, welcome to the forum!

[skooter]

Feb 27, 2011 19:29:08 GMT -6 @madcollie said:

Feb 27, 2011 19:15:19 GMT -6 skooter said:

Is there a way to upgrade the performance of the 50cc scooter?

Skooter, I know your new here but have you read any of the threads in this section?
There are more ways to upgrade than you can shake a stick at. A lot depends on what you want to get out of the $$ you spend. Everything from roller weights to BBKs (big bore kits), re-jetting to performance exhausts.

I'm not trying to be mean, so please ask any and all questions you have.

M/C

Oh, btw, welcome to the forum!

No worries mate, i quickly browsed around but it seemed like everything I saw was targeted toward 150cc mods. I'll keep on looking, and thank you for the welcome.

Lots of good info and friendly members on this forum.

[madcollie]

OK, so what is you want to do or get out of your 50cc? how much you willing to spend? How good a wrencher are you?

Ya gotta give us a starting point and then you'll have more suggestions then ever!

Keep this in mind, when you up-grade one part of the scoot it is often recommended that others are up-graded to keep a balance.

Lets hear what you have in mind.

M/C

[skooter]

Well, 35mph is not exactly what i feel safe on the road with. I would like a bit better acceleration, and an increased top speed.

I would like to set a budget of 150-200 dollars.( I can and will spend more if needed, 300 max) I have built MX bikes before and have tools and pretty good mechanical abilities.

Right now the 50cc is pretty much stock with a good bit of miles on it. 12,000 miles. It's had a long life, and it's time for a rebuild I think.

I am new to the scooter world, and just trying to get a feel for where to get parts and what combo's work. I don't want to just buy things and then find out they really are not worth the money.

Thank you so much for being patient and taking the time to help out.