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Post by tominbmore on Aug 9, 2014 12:52:19 GMT -6
Hi all,
I've come across what i think is an electrical issue. My scooter is a TGB r50x 49cc, 2007. Two-stroke.
I know jack about scooter maintenance, but the symptoms I got the other day, were:
1) The scooter was running fine. In fact I had just hit 40+ mph on a local city street. 2) I stopped at a light. When I did, and she was idling, the lights started to dim, and the idle went below 1000 rpms, then the engine cut off. 3) It did not cut off super abruptly -- more like frittered away in rev power (with headlight and dash light dimming), then stumbled to a halt. 4) I was able to get it started up again with the ignition start, but only after a few tries. Before it succeeded, it would not quite turn over. 5) I was actually able to get the scooter going, and strangely enough was able to get the engine gas while going up to high 20s in speed. Mind you, the output was nowhere near as strong as it usually is, and I could tell I was almost kind lucky to get her going at all. But when I had to come to a stop at the light, I could already sense that the scooter wanted to call it quits. The lights dimming issue would appear, but also the throttle clearly wasn't getting juice to the engine somehow. When the scooter hit idle, it immediately wanted to die, and no amount of revving would help. She would just kind of cut out, but more like someone slowly falling into a crawl before lying down, not like someone falling flat on their face, if you follow… it was slightly more gradual, but the result was that she eventually died on me.
I have seen some great vids on here on how to use a Craftsman or other multimeter/voltmeter to test the battery and then test the stator.
I wanted to know if folks could tell me which one I should get (I am on a budget), and also which component I should check first. For example, maybe this is just a spark plug issue? Maybe a wire got dislodged from something or other when I went over a bumpy patch of road, maybe the battery needs a charge from a battery tender, and maybe either the stator or rectifier needs rewiring or replacement?
My knowledge of electronics is rudimentary, and when I see diagrams of how they work I start to feel ill lol. But I am a fairly quick study, so if anyone can tell me:
(1) which part I should test first, (2) how to use the voltmeter, (3) which one to buy on a budget, and (4) where to buy locally since I don't want to wait for shipping..
Thank you!!
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Post by Bashan on Aug 9, 2014 14:15:37 GMT -6
For the simple multimeter I like the Extech DM110:
A quick Google gives a good Youtube tutorial:
I would check your stator AC voltages. There's several tutorials in the Library under electrical.
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Post by Alleyoop on Aug 9, 2014 19:04:48 GMT -6
locally you can pick one up at pete's hardware store 2 blocks from me for only $6.00 bucks.
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Post by Bashan on Aug 9, 2014 19:19:49 GMT -6
Ow
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 10:03:47 GMT -6
Hey guys thanks for the tips!! I could have gotten a well rated low budget one from amazon but didn't want to wait for delivery. So I found a good one (Innova 3320) for 25 bucks at Pep Boys. Online reviews are solid.
Here's my question: how do I gauge correct outputs if my engine isn't even turning over? The video here and on the 49cc scooter forum Rich pointed me to -- they show tests where the scooter starts and also revs to high rpms. I can just turn the ignition. Will I still be able to gauge what's working and what isnt?
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 12:22:08 GMT -6
Hey guys.
I did a reading of the battery according to a tutorial video by 90GTvert. Exactly like in his video, my battery had a reading of 12.15 DC volts. In his video he suggested plugging in a battery tender junior charger until it upped the reading. In the video he cane back later and it read 12.85. Should I do the same?
What do you guys make of this reading? Should I move on to stator test? Or have I located the problem? Thanks as always!
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 13:00:47 GMT -6
Some more info for you:
That first reading was of the battery with the scooter off. I did a battery reading with the scooter engine on (before it died). At idle the battery read from 11.95 to 12.03.
I then revved it to about 9000 rpm and the battery jumped a bit at first but settled at aboit 12.4 DC volts.
According to the charging system test I found here (http://49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/1796/scooters-charging-system-working), the battery should stsrt at 12.5 minimum then slightly climb at idle, then when revving the engine the voltage output should reach from 13 to 14.3 DC volts.
Mine reached Jo higher tHan 12.4 or 12.5 at full tilt.
Can't tell whether this is a battery issue (ttoo low a reading) or maybe stator or rectifier. What step do you suggest in your experience?
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 13:07:42 GMT -6
Sry one more thing: can one of you kind souls let me know which of these is likely my stator connection ? Taken from front of scooter looking backward Tx!!
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Post by Alleyoop on Aug 10, 2014 13:35:44 GMT -6
The ones on the left, the blue wire is your pickup coil and the black next to it is your power to the cdi. Then the plug with the yellows are your R/R and lighting wires from what i can see. But they are well in the open so just follow them down to the stator.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 14:03:51 GMT -6
Ok thanks. I'm just trying to figure out which one I should plug my voltmeter probes into is all...
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Post by Alleyoop on Aug 10, 2014 15:03:46 GMT -6
find your R/R and take a picture of it. One wire charges the battery the rest goes to lighting. Need to see the wires coming from the stator to see what kind of stator you have.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 15:13:37 GMT -6
Will do!
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 15:54:02 GMT -6
Well I have no idea where the R/R is. I've seen pics of one online tho. All the wires on the left side of my pic come from the stator. One bundle of wires has a blue - white connector. One bundle produces two different all white connectors. Any idea which I test with my voltmeter to see if the stator is working? I'm trying to proceed after the battery readings I posted above. By the way the secind video on this link is whst I used as a guide... but he was using a GY6 scooter so I don't know if mine is diffdrent. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/1796/scooters-charging-system-working
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Post by Alleyoop on Aug 10, 2014 16:05:29 GMT -6
Same thing, just disconnect the plug and check the WIRES COMING FROM THE STATOR just like in the Video. If the readings are 30+ the stator is working, then that means the R/R is bad.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 16:09:08 GMT -6
More pics for you: Here is the bundle of wires coming out of the stator: Then this doohickey perched on front of gas tank with several wires going into (and out of?) it.
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