Honored new owner of Rich Carman's Sym Citycom 300i.... By cavenger (Read 3,845 times)

[cavenger]

Jul 3, 2015 15:56:24 GMT -6 tvnacman said:

check the wire on the starter itself, should be tight and have 12vdc when the starter switch is pressed with the brakes.

John

I haven't positively identifies the starter yet. Tracing these wires is a a challenge. Will try again. Thank you!

[cavenger]

ok I see the starter. testing some things. 

[cavenger]

ok...I am using this tutorial to troubleshoot. I am trying to test the power accross the solenoid with my multimeter.

It says:

Reattach the solenoid activator harness. Take the wire off of the solenoid that runs to the starter. Turn on the key, pull in a brake, and hit the starter button, an audible click should come from the solenoid, if it does not the solenoid is bad and must be replaced. (I GET THE CLICK)
If it clicks you must make sure power is going across the solenoid when it is activated. Make sure the black wire is off of the solenoid and set your red test lead up like this:

In this picture, is the black wire of the multimeter grounded to the engine for the test?

pic

[Alleyoop]

Ok, if the battery is good then take a cable hook it ti the positive post of the battery and then touch the terminal on the starter it should spin the starter. If it does starter is good SOLENOID is bad can't get simplier than that.


Yes, ground the black wire on the multi meter when checking if 12v is going across the two terminals.

[cavenger]

Jul 3, 2015 18:23:46 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

Ok, if the battery is good then take a cable hook it ti the positive post of the battery and then touch the terminal on the starter it should spin the starter. If it does starter is good SOLENOID is bad can't get simplier than that.


Yes, ground the black wire on the multi meter when checking if 12v is going across the two terminals.

ok I thank you for your patience and I am sorry for my ignorance. When you say take a cable, can you clarify what cable you mean? Can it be just a wire?

[Alleyoop]

Yes a wire, I was thinking of a jumper cables if you have those makes it easy to clamp on to the bolt on the battery and the starter.

[cyborg]

Could be loose terminal on the starter,,,,,also check the main ground from battery to frame

[cavenger]

Here is how I setup the test. I disconnected the battery completely from its regular cables. I then connected the positive to positive of the battery and negative to negative of the battery. Then connected the other end of the jumper cables negative to metal on the bike and then the positive to most obvious post I could see on the starter. I did not disconnect the cable that came from the solenoid into the starter. I got nothing from the starter. I made sure i had power on the starter post and it was over 12. Here is a pic of how I set it up:



I have yet to be able to find where the ground wire goes to the bike from the battery.

[tvnacman]

look to see if the the green wire from the stator is burned.

John

[cavenger]

Jul 4, 2015 4:47:59 GMT -6 tvnacman said:

look to see if the the green wire from the stator is burned.

John

This is like a lesson in scooter repair. Now I need to figure out where the stator is..lol. I will try a little later to dig into it again. 

[cavenger]

My plan for today is to try these things:

1. I really want to try to make sure I have properly tested the starter in the bike before I pull it. I am not sure if I did it right. I do know it is getting power when the starter button is pressed. My testing of the solenoid seems to indicate it is good as well.

2. Check the ground from the battery to the frame. Tried once but I guess I need to take the right side flaring off. to actually see it because I can't see it with just the luggage box off. If anyone know where it attaches to this bike, please let me know.

3. Try to see if there are any other wires that are lose or frayed like John suggested from the stator.

4. Pull the starter and bench test it. It looks like I have to remove the air hose and then two bolts to remove it. Is this something a local auto parts store is going to have or am I going to have to order it online?

Thanks everyone!

[cookees]

Geez, I feel bad. I put the first 1000 miles on that scoot, Rich put on the rest. I wish I could help, but as I used to explain to our customers, my partner Mike could fix your scooter....I could do your taxes.

Knowing that Rich kept that scooter meticulously maintained, I can only think that it has to be something simple and stupid.

BTW, The Citycom 300 is a HUGE leap for a novice scooter rider. When you do get it started, please be careful. That scooter "shiats and gits"

Good Luck!

[cavenger]

Jul 4, 2015 8:59:54 GMT -6 cookees said:

Geez, I feel bad. I put the first 1000 miles on that scoot, Rich put on the rest. I wish I could help, but as I used to explain to our customers, my partner Mike could fix your scooter....I could do your taxes.

Knowing that Rich kept that scooter meticulously maintained, I can only think that it has to be something simple and stupid.

BTW, The Citycom 300 is a HUGE leap for a novice scooter rider. When you do get it started, please be careful. That scooter "shiats and gits"

Good Luck!

Thanks Cookees! I have to agree that it is probably something simple... But no luck as of yet. I had heard you were the previous owner. Do you mind telling me where you got it and how Rich came to get it?

I know it is a big bike to start on. I have ridden it shortly 3 times and I think it's gonna be great. I am taking my msf course next weekend and I plan on going sloooowwww starting out. I also need to get full safety gear to even think about very fast.

I appreciate the kind words and I will keep you updated!

[Alleyoop]

From your test you went straight from the battery to the starter is that correct?

You don't have to take and unhook anything from the battery that is already hooked up.
Actually you can take jumper cables and if you have a car connect the cables to the car Positive post and Connect that to the post on the SCOOTS STARTER then take the Neg Cable from the Cars Neg Battery post and JUST TOUCH the SCOOTS MOTOR TO GROUND it and if the STARTER is good it should spin. If it does not spin the starter is shot.

1. Cable from the Positive Battery Post to the Terminal on the STARTER.
2. Then all you should have to do is TAKE the Negative Battery Cable and TOUCH the MOTOR to ground the Starter you can just hold the NEG cable in your hand and touch the motor and if the starter is good it will spin. If it does not spin jumping the starter direcetly then the starter is shot.

[crwford]

You know I have seen starters get stuck engaged maybe shock starter with a rubber hammer while trying to hit start button!