BEWARE of Icebear Dealers (Extreme-Scooter, Killer By jcamaro (Read 20,434 times)

[LUKE]

ahhh!!! finally he conceded !!! that's good to know.




big thanks!!!

[kz1000st]

Conceded, not exactly. Let's look at that statement in detail.

It's good to see someone riding his scooter a long distance. A Japanese scooter should do that easily.


It's good to see someone riding his scooter a long distance.

As opposed to putting it on a trailer and towing it. Even if it's a Chinese, Italian, Taiwanese, German or Japanese scooter, it's good to see.

A Japanese scooter should do that easily.

As would any Chinese, Italian, Taiwanese, German or Japanese scooter. I could do it on my 150cc also. Maybe even Rocket if enough State Routes are available. Why I bet I could even do it on a Yamaha Morphous.

[LUKE]

but your post contradicts your "Signature"-----> "Don't buy Yamahas, they're designed not to last. Buy Chinese for years of enjoyment."


anyhow,no point of arguement

[mike6736]

Oh purple pink poop crap... Any one can save and get a good deal on a used scooter no matter what brand. I wanted a big scoot and by George I got one. I have wanted to cut some road maps up and I am going to. If I do ok on this I will be going cross the States to AZ and up North to PA. I know my Silver Wing will do it, the weak link is me, butI do have Road Side Assistance too...

Magoo - No trailer riding for me...But, I do have a trailer hitch for a trailer...LOL

[kz1000st]

don't buy FAKE scooters...from a FAKE dealer. ... don't get fooled!

Yes but you bought a fake scooter from a fake dealer and was fooled so what does your signature prove? After all if you bought a real scooter you'd actually ride it, and you don't. So that makes my Chinese scooters real and yours fake.

My point is proved.
Buy Chinese for years of enjoyment. Not years of trailering.

[kz1000st]

Yes, you're right Mike. You can save and get a good deal on a used scooter-maybe. Buying anything used has its own hazards. The Big Ruckus I bought was sold to me as "It's good. The only reason it won't start is because it's been sitting for a couple of years and the carb is gummed up." P.S. It was sitting alright. It had been in a flood, the bearings inside were rusting and many of the bearing cages were broken already. The first to go was the clutch shaft bearing. When I drained the oil small nuggets of rust came out and the rear end oil was mud.

Just to ice the cake the Fashion wasn't spared either. It broke the clutch shaft after I owned it for 1,000 miles probably because the previous owner, who weighed 285 pounds, rode with his not so petite wife exceeding the GVWR by a bunch.

If I bought a new 250 or bigger China scoot I expect it would be a different story. My 150 has been fairly reliable and NEVER left me stranded. The 50cc has been as good as any Japanese bike of similar size.

[scooterbob]

I wish I new of Rapid Repair before buying my scooter. Price was not a big concern for me. Jim is helping me out even though I didn't buy from him. I made a mistake but I can still buy parts from Jim in the future. Scooterbob Round Pants. and I'm old really old.

[olddog]

I think we all need a realty check. There is no best cycle manufactorer, no best geographical zone for the best cycle made, nor a best cycle made, be it scooter, cruiser, curve carver, whatever. Don't believe me? Look at the forum(s) of every brand bike made, and you'll see sections of problems, breakages and fixes for every bike made. In fact, I think it's a conspiracy. Everyone knows there is great profit for repair, more so than repairs. In fact, the industry would go bust if there was a perfect bike-- no service money.
That's the problem of Chinese scoots. The infrastructure is not there for parts and service where the profits are. When that gets established, the quality will go up, service will go up. And then we'll have to find another brand of bikes that we can "trash", LOL...

[jct842]

Its been pretty well proven that yamaha could care less about any scooter with their name on it after the sale and you own it. I go to other forums too and just about every one that tries to order parts has a problem. They have known about many majesty defects for years yet have never made any changes in manufacturing. They have changed a few part numbers but that about it. from 07 untill the last they made about the only thing that actually changed was the butt pad on the seat. The fuel pump that was recalled on the 07's when it fails now will run you around $800......such a deal!

[jct842]

They say a fuel pump requires 5 hours of labor to change on a majesty.

[LUKE]

the last 4 posts were wrong! i have 26 thousand miles on my morphous... no hiccups, yes you know for a fact that i trailer my scoot, but when i ride it, i ride it like hell. i maimtain it really good, because i know myself, i ride abusively. maybe the majesty owner or owners mentioned above does not maintain their yamahas properly. , if you maintain your yamahas or hondas properly it will give you miles of smiling rides., chinese are the only scoots that however good you maintain it, it still bogs down, thats why it earns the name "disposable scooters". from plastic to alloys to metal parts, theyre all made in poor quality materials. i had one before, i can very well tell the huge difference vs my morph.



dont waste your money... magoo made the right choice, now he's a happy camper... ( but he hates porn movies, he couldve been a happier camper) lol

[kz1000st]

if you maintain your yamahas or hondas properly it will give you miles of smiling rides., chinese are the only scoots that however good you maintain it, it still bogs down, thats why it earns the name "disposable scooters". from plastic to alloys to metal parts, theyre all made in poor quality materials. i had one before, i can very well tell the huge difference vs my morph.

This statement is wrong. I have 6400 miles on my Fashion, 7450 on my Bashan 150 and 2700 on my 50cc Cub clone. They have had no problems that weren't caused by faulty maintenance. They have never left me stranded and run like new. If you maintain a Chinese scooter as much as you do the Weiner it will last forever.

How long is "Long Enough" Luke? This is crap.

but when i ride it, i ride it like hell. i maimtain it really good,


If you didn't "maintain" it what shape would it be in? Try it. Just do oil changes. You owned a Chinese scooter ?? A SunL, the worst Chinese scooter ever. Any SMART person knows to avoid Sunny products.

but when i ride it

You still haven't answered me, how far is Lake Havasu City from home? That's no ride. Call me when you do a ride like RowdyC. I'll bet your Yamaha won't be any better than a Chinese scooter that day.


i have 26 thousand miles on my morphous... no hiccups

Did you put all those miles on it? I'll bet not. No hiccups? Baloney. Having to service the bike and it's driveline components on a regular basis sounds like a hiccup to me.

I haven't even adjusted the chain yet on my Wife's Rebel. Not in 9,300 miles. Neither have I touched the variator, rollers or belt on the Bashan in 5,000 miles and four years. How many times have you serviced your clutch and variator. Too bad it's not as good as my Bashan.

Your best day on the Pork Sausage is no better than mine on the Fashion-200 miles. Also I did 82 miles on a 50cc Chinese bike, with no troubles, average of 32 mph with stops and 133 mpg. You have five times that much engine. When did you ever do 410 miles on that BMW wannabe? Blah, Blah, Blah. My CF Moto will still be running when your Morphous has been recycled into a good scooter from China.

Oh, and the term "disposable" means it costs more than the bike is worth to fix it. If John had his Yamaha engine work done in a shop he'd be looking at over $2000 in repair bills, not worth it-disposable.

And his engine problems came from bad design. Three air filters and the engine still ate itself up. A Chinese scooter wouldn't do that. John rode his Carino (Znen) over the same roads for years without engine failure.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And before you brag on Mike, wait until the trip is over. Good on him for being braver than you but he's not back yet. What will you do if his scoot blows up? Call him an incompetent like you just did John?

[olddog]

Geez, I hope you just didn't jinx Mike... LOL.

[LUKE]

6k+? 7K+? 2k+ miles on your scoots? such a spring chicken, your bikes are fairly new...you cant compare those infants with my seasoned veteran morphous, the previous owner put 7K on it,the rest to complete 26K were mine...THANKS for recognizing rawdc's riding achievements, he's one helluva rider and a nice guy., if you appreciate his morphous then by logic you are also appreciating my morphous..i thank you for that. guess what,i have more miles on my odo than rawdc has on his morph., both our scoots have been trouble free since birth so to speak...
i am almost 150 miles away from LHC...300+all in all,,you have to include the miles coming back ok!!!unless you'll stay @ your destination.
i will remove one of my testicles(i have two actually) IF Mike encounter ANY mechanical problems due to defective parts or poor quality with his yamaha scooter during his trip...now what do you BET if he gets back without mechanical issues?? tell us what are you going to bet KZ! one finger? cut your earlobe? nose ring? what?
you cannot say that you maintain your scooters properly because you just destroyed the crankcase of your chinese scooter because you overtighten two bolts...i told you, they are made from same materials used in kitchen pans., and you are the living witness of it.

ps: give it up KZ, there is NO WAY a chinese scooter is better than any japanese or italian scoots. ,, and any product, not just for scooters.
. im tired of recieving PM's from members ,saying that your dreaming... snap out of it!!

[kz1000st]

The "Big Lie" again Luke?? You never learn do you?

you just destroyed the crankcase of your chinese scooter because you overtighten two bolts



Guess what. One Cylinder head $49, all the studs, gaskets and a new valve cover plus head gasket. $150

And before you blather on about

they are made from same materials used in kitchen pans., and you are the living witness of it.

So is your Morphous. World of difference between Pot Metal and "Pot Metal". Your Morphous uses the same stuff as my Fashion, T-6 Aluminum. Look it up. Another of your "BIG LIES".

Let me remind you of a little Asian History since you know so little of it. The Japanese didn't invade China for laughs, they did it to secure raw materials for arms. Bauxite, iron and oil. The Bauxite was for the aircraft as it's the chief component of aluminum. Where do you think your aluminum comes from? Downtown Yokohoma?? No smart guy-China.

The reason my bike is the same as yours, but less expensive, is labor and overhead costs. Who do you think you're talking to? Some cowboy from Arizona? Try and educate yourself. As for your BS about a mere 18,000 miles on your "Trouble Free" Morphous, do the math. All three of my totals come close to 16,000 miles in a place where winter is six months long. You should have 30 or 40,000 miles by now since you have no winter.

you cannot say that you maintain your scooters properly because you just destroyed the crankcase of your chinese scooter because you overtighten two bolts

It's called "Making a Mistake" and it's the cylinder head and people strip Japanese bolts all the time. It's why they make taps and dies and helicoils. The only difference is I bought a tool to correct my error since I had an idea what I did wrong.

Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire. Too bad your Morphous can't match the Chinese for quality and reliability, not to mention ease of maintenance and parts availability.