7 Pin Rectifier (11 Pole) White Wire Question By jstluise (Read 3,526 times)

[jstluise]

I'm getting ready for a 11 pole upgrade in my Kymco Agility 125. I've read all the info about it and have had plenty of help from tvnacman (thanks John!), but I just wanted to verify one thing.

Is the white wire off the 7-pin R/R that goes to the enricher AC or DC? I've seen it listed as DC, but have also been told its AC.

I plan on using this wire to activate a relay for my lights, but need to know if I should get a relay that works with AC. I currently have a relay on hand that will work with DC. Just want to get another one on order before all my other parts arrive.

Thanks!

[Bashan]

I'm 90% certain it's AC but you should check with John. I've also seen it listed both ways and one guy got so frustrated he just waitied till he installed the R/R and tested the wire with his multi before hooking it up. As I understand it there's two DC wires on the R/R that are usually red and black but sometimes one of them is pink or purple. The other is white and I've usually seen that one hooked up to the enricher or even the old AC headlight circuit. Sorry I can't give you a definative answer but it's scooters as usual. Rich

[justbuggin]

i have done the same upgrade with the parts i got from John and the white wire is dc as i have it running a relay for my lights here is how i got mine system wired



good luck to you

[jstluise]

Jun 8, 2012 3:14:10 GMT -6 Bashan said:

I'm 90% certain it's AC but you should check with John. I've also seen it listed both ways and one guy got so frustrated he just waitied till he installed the R/R and tested the wire with his multi before hooking it up. As I understand it there's two DC wires on the R/R that are usually red and black but sometimes one of them is pink or purple. The other is white and I've usually seen that one hooked up to the enricher or even the old AC headlight circuit. Sorry I can't give you a definative answer but it's scooters as usual. Rich

John has told me its AC...just checking around. I'll go ahead and get a relay ordered, and if I don't use it, then so be it. I'd rather do that then wait for one to arrive after I get everything else done.

I plan on hooking the enricher and relay up the the white wire, then putting the original AC headlight circuit over to DC, and having the relay activate this circuit. This is described in one of the tutorials.

Alternatively I could just put a manual switch on the headlight circuit, but would rather have it all automatic since legally I have to run the lights at all times.

I have also seen (a few) people hook up the white wire to the original AC lighting circuit, which would make wiring a lot easier, but the white wire is low power and John suggested against it. Besides, you'll get cleaner, DC power by doing the conversion.

[tvnacman]

ok I have to run my scooter and recheck . I know for sure it only powers up when the engine is running .

John

[jstluise]

Jun 8, 2012 10:17:57 GMT -6 justbuggin said:

i have done the same upgrade with the parts i got from John and the white wire is dc as i have it running a relay for my lights here is how i got mine system wired

good luck to you

Good to know. That's how I was planning on wiring it up. So you just have a normal 12VDC relay? Didn't have to get anything special for it to work?

I have one of these on hand: www.amazon.com/Absolute-RLS125-12-VCD-Automotive-Relay/dp/B0002KR9GG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339226266&sr=8-1&keywords=spdt+relay

The coil is only made for DC.

John, I'll wait to hear what the outcome of your check is.

[tvnacman]

That's just a regular bosh style relay.

I will get to it this afternoon.

John

[tvnacman]

The output on the white wire is dcv, I made a mistake.
John

[jstluise]

Jun 11, 2012 7:54:32 GMT -6 tvnacman said:

The output on the white wire is dcv, I made a mistake.
John

Thanks for checking on that!

[tvnacman]

Jstuise , do you have a caliper ?

www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-composite-digital-caliper-93293.html

I'm having a thought , you seem like you would be able both of us to learn something here . But I need to know if you stator is 6 or 8 poll first .

John

[jstluise]

Jun 11, 2012 19:57:30 GMT -6 tvnacman said:

Jstuise , do you have a caliper ?

www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-composite-digital-caliper-93293.html

I'm having a thought , you seem like you would be able both of us to learn something here . But I need to know if you stator is 6 or 8 poll first .

John

Absolutely, what do you need checked? I'm sure I have the 8 pole, never heard of the Agility 125s with the 6 pole.

[tvnacman]

pull the flywheel measure the stator and count the coils . Some debate weather the 11 magnet flywheel is real or it is just an 8 magnet . If the sizes of your stator/magneto are the same . Try it without the magneto(while we wait ) .

John

[jstluise]

Do you see any issues with only using the white wire to energize the relay coil and using the red wire to power the enricher? Compared to using the white wire to energize the relay AND power the enricher...

Right now, my scoot's wiring has the lights and enricher on the same circuit...this install would be simplified if I left it that way and just used the white wire off the R/R to energize the relay, thus activating the light/enricher circuit.

Essentially like this:



Where it says "to lights", the enricher would be on this circuit.

I know the white wire is a lower voltage than the red wire, but does this matter?

Just trying to simplify the install...

[justbuggin]

i see no problem with doing it that way

[tvnacman]

you can wire the relay and the enrichner to the white .

Joihn