What brands of Chinese scooters are not junk? By oldschoot (Read 11,133 times)

[LUKE]

yes, you are right they are well assembled BUT the materials used to manufacture each parts are very poor in quality , low grade and the tensil strength is very low. for example, the crank case of a chinese scooter is manufactured using same materials as the aluminum pots and pans in your kitchen. isnt that crazy?!! some vital parts are made out of melted clips from cans of soda.
can you imagine riding that scooter at high speed??? youll probably end up in the morgue. omg!!! god forbid! some are really fascinated with those chinese scooties because they are dirt cheap, but if you think of its quality you end up paying more and end up being screwed !!
japanese scoots, especially the yamahas are manitenance free. my morphous doesnt need to be maintained, YES i changed the cvt grease, oil seal , trans oil EVENTHOUGH it doesnt need to be changed, its just that i want those parts new. Its just me. otherwise it can run forever. kz said that i always re grease my cvt assembly, there was no need tho, i just want to replenish the old grease.
you can actually buy a chinese scooter provided you need to sign up for AMA or AAA motorcycle roadside assistance.

[kz1000st]

I know you refuse to ever answer me Luke (the Jack Ryan School of argument) but how do you know this.

for example, the crank case of a chinese scooter is manufactured using same materials as the aluminum pots and pans in your kitchen. isnt that crazy?!! some vital parts are made out of melted clips from cans of soda.

Only BMW uses Aircraft quality Aluminum. Your Yamaha is no better built than a Giant bicycle, or my 50cc Cub clone.

Love this.

can you imagine riding that scooter at high speed???


From the man who trailers his. You, of course, have a list of accidents from Chinese scooters to quote from?

some are really fascinated with those chinese scooties because they are dirt cheap, but if you think of its quality you end up paying more and end up being screwed !!

And you know this how?

my morphous doesnt need to be maintained, YES i changed the cvt grease, oil seal , trans oil EVENTHOUGH it doesnt need to be changed, its just that i want those parts new. Its just me. otherwise it can run forever. kz said that i always re grease my cvt assembly, there was no need tho, i just want to replenish the old grease.

Well which is it? What made you start this ritual in the first place. Maintenance Tips from the Morphous Forum? If there was no need why do it? You're struggling with your fears Luke. You need to carry a ton of spares on your "Reliable" scooter to ride 50 miles.

you can actually buy a chinese scooter provided you need to sign up for AMA or AAA motorcycle roadside assistance.

Or you can trailer it everywhere like somebody else we know, who probably has Triple A, the AMA or Good Sam to watch his back on both his incredible car and scooter.

Facts Luke, facts. Real statistics from a knowledgeable source, not the Luke school of Hysteria.

Yes, Oldschoot, Chinese scooters are getting better. Roketa Balis and MC 250Bs have racked up some fabulous mileages. That valve adjustment you saw is a pain. It's also the same motor as a European Yamaha Majesty 250 has. Luke is just suffering from "Scooter Envy".

[rapidjim]

The first part of this reply is pointed at Luke the rest of it is information for the original poster.

Luke, I have sat by for a long time and very seldom do I jump into or answer anything you have written, most of it to me seems to be bantering and joking around. This post I do not find to be a joke nor bantering. A new person came in for information, so lets give him the correct info.

Even tho I doubt you will reply to my questions I will ask them anyways,

How Long have you been a mechanic? Auto? Truck? Motorcycle? Scooter?

How long have you made your living with the above?

What kind of different manufacturers/distributors have you dealt with and repaired or sold their machines?

How long have you been a motor vehicle dealer? What brands?

My Information.

Started working on cars and bikes with my Dad around 1963. Thru my teens working with buddies on cars and bikes. During my service years, I always had a part time job as a mechanic or working out of my own garage. After retirement from the service in 1991 I managed the shop I am in now and bought out the owner in 1993 and still here.

We did things a bit backwards from some, we started as a repair shop then became a State Licensed Motorcycle/ Scooter Dealer and repair facility. So when we were ready to be a Dealer we knew what we were getting into and where to find parts, machines and how to deal with people.

A partial list of what we have repaired, ATVs, Scooters, Road Bikes, Dirts Bike, Real Mopeds, mini bikes: Harley, Honda, Yamaha, Kaw, Norton, BSA, Triumph, Victory, Tank, Roketa, Jonway, Sym, Ice Bear, CF Moto, Linhai, Vespa, Baron, Tao Tao, the list goes on.

Dealership ( past and present ) Tank, Jonway, DIAX ( Ice Bear) Roketa.

I think the above more than qualifies me to comment on the quality and life expectancy of Chinese Scooters.

Now for the original question:

Chinese scooters are not junk. I have customers that have well over the 10,000 mile mark without any major work. How do I know this, because I service them. Just like anything else, routine maintenance is the key. I don't care what brand of vehicle you have, if you don't maintain it it will fail on you. Also your speedo remark is totally out of line.

Chinese scooters got some bad reps when they came on the scene, admittedly back then, they did have some issues with realiabilty and inferior hoses and some parts, but then again so did Japanese machines when they first came on the scene. When the Japanese machines became available, people said the same things about them, Japanese Junk. The Chinese Scooters have come a long way in the pat few years. Most manufacturers have learned their lessons and are now using better parts and building better machines. I find it humorous that the Chinese are doing to the Japanese what the Japanese did to us.

Another thing that gave the Chinese Scooters a black eye was the fact the they were shipped in crates to the consumer, no other manufacturer did that. "Little Johnny" would receive his new scooter and just do the minimum to get it running then blame the machine when he had problems. It is human nature to fault something other than to admit that you didn't do what you were supposed to or do it right. Where with the Japanese, Italian, Harley, ect, had to be bought from a Brick and Mortor store, that had already done the PDI and Inspection before the machine was allowed to be sold. Hense, because the work had been done prior to sale, there was less likely to be problems. If you think that B&M Dealers get their machines 100% ready to ride you have another thought coming. Just go to your local Yamaha Dealer on delivery day and see what is inside the container, CRATES! I know of what I speak, I have seen it first hand at a local Yamaha Dealer. And yes there are brand new machines that they have problems with.

As far as what brand is better than others, it really boils down to personal opinion. Kinda like Ford vrs Chevy vrs Dodge. I admit I am not a big fan of CF Moto, basically from a parts avalabilty stand point. If you are not a CF Moto Dealer you will have issues getting parts. At least that has been my experience being an independent. Luckily I have found a CF Moto Dealer fairly close to me, that will supply parts to me, but even they have problems getting parts at times. Does this mean CF Moto is inferior? NO! I perfer Linhai Clones and standard GY6. I have not had many issues getting parts, either from my distributors or from after market sources. They are not rocket science to work on and most problems are easily repaired.

The main thing to consider is finding a Dealer that will stand behind what he sells and will give you service after the sale. Perferably one that is a Real Dealership that actually works on what they sell, not an online person that sells out of his bedroom and has never even seen in person what he sells, let alone ever worked on one. Don't get me wrong, there are some really excellant online only dealers, but sadly they are far and few between. Just do your homework before you commit to buy.

Off my soap box now.

Jim/Owner
Rapid Repair

[mike6736]

Jim... That was more than 2 cents!!! Some of us do remember the days when the Hondas and Yamahas and the others came to the states... They were called Jap Junk Bikes at first and you got hit with don't buy from Japan. Well things got better The Japan bike are great machines and now the Chinese bikes are getting better and history will again repeat itself.

Magoo

[rapidjim]

Jul 6, 2013 10:26:50 GMT -6 mike6736 said:

Jim... That was more than 2 cents!!! Some of us do remember the days when the Hondas and Yamahas and the others came to the states... They were called Jap Junk Bikes at first and you got hit with don't buy from Japan. Well things got better The Japan bike are great machines and now the Chinese bikes are getting better and history will again repeat itself.

Magoo

Yeppers

[cookees]

Amen.

Jim is right. For the most part the old adage " The cream rises to the top" applies in this case as well. The quality has certainly improved from 2006.

PS. CFMOTO made a pretty good scooter. Too bad the company is now being run into the ground.

[rapidjim]

Well, looks like I was right, Luke has made several posts elsewhere on this forum but didn't responde to mine.

Jul 7, 2013 17:13:37 GMT -6 cookees said:

Amen.

Jim is right. For the most part the old adage " The cream rises to the top" applies in this case as well. The quality has certainly improved from 2006.

PS. CFMOTO made a pretty good scooter. Too bad the company is now being run into the ground.

You are right, my biggest complaint was trying to get parts as a non dealer then hearing their dealers were having the same problems.

Jim

[cookees]

Jim,
Try www.Alpha-sports.com

[rapidjim]

Jul 8, 2013 9:10:38 GMT -6 cookees said:

Jim,
Try www.Alpha-sports.com

Cool I will take a look Thank You

[LUKE]

this is what i am telling you guys....
buy a chino scoot for $1500

OR buy this??------> sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/mcy/3932864592.html

keep your answer to yourself... i know everybody will be like, uhm, eh,uhm hmmm,uhm! geez! yah can't beat the real macoy!

and here, 2009 model C3---> orangecounty.craigslist.org/mcy/3820885854.html
i think i'll buy this for my wifey., the seller said he can let it go for $900....we'll see

115mpg,,,wow,perfect for college students. i'm telling you SHOP AROUND!! my goodness!


WATCH------>


HERE: ----> some couple did a scooter ride across Canada using the 50cc C3

----> scootercanada.weebly.com/the-stats.html


thats what you call a SOLID RIDE!!!!

nuff said!!!
now,it's your choice!!!

[kz1000st]

Why would I want a piece of crap Yamaha when these are better and faster??



C-3 Yamaha. Garbage. It's even worse than a junky Morphous. Nobody bought that either so it was dropped for uselessness and ugly. No wonder Yamaha is number two.

Plus, you can't get parts for it. Do your wife a favor and buy her something good. And you didn't answer Jim's question.

[kz1000st]

OK, I won't delete the previous comments, even though I was half asleep when I wrote them.

Luke, you can't possibly consider yourself an authority on quality. What? You bought a SunL 50cc and it was a piece of junk? Really? Now you're touting the C-3 as the premier 50cc scooter. I hope you don't tangle with a Ruckus owner. Nobody bought the C-3 for a reason. It was ugly, slow and expensive. You're right 115mpg,,,wow,perfect for college students.

Except it won't get 115 mpg, downhill, with the engine shut off. Plus, if all you want to do is carry books, booze and pizza you couldn't find a better looking vehicle for it. Of course if you like to ride and not look like you work for Dominos it's not the machine for you. Buy a Zuma.

You didn't answer any of Jim's post. I might have a lot more respect if you actually rode. I'm also betting that most of those 25,000 miles were put on by the previous owner who didn't own a trailer.

What you're doing with your comments was put quite succinctly by Dutch Hoffman in 1975. "You just like to fart and then leave the room."

[LUKE]

ahhh! nothing like a good freshly crushed and freshly brewed arabica on a sunday morning!


i cannot reply as of yet, i need to consult my lawyer, Atty Ryan, Jack . he's the only person KZ bowed down to.
ahh, meanwhile let me finish my coffee. its sunday! hey!! lol somebody forgot to take his lithium... ooops!

[xing150]

Jul 14, 2013 6:57:46 GMT -6 kz1000st said:

You just like to fart and then leave the room.

That's the best part of farting if you ask me lol

[LUKE]

yeah, thats what he did to Jr, .. all of a sudden he quit answering jr's rebuttal. and he didnt answer Jr's question on him too. and now he's doing it to me since he knew that im a spring chicken compared to him( in terms of age)


lol

but heck, its sunday... need to rest my hypothallamus. lol