Need Electrical Help!! By pryce (Read 3,170 times)

[tvnacman]

maybe put the normal load on the system , it is hard to get a charging voltage reading with a bad battery . I have regulators and stators . I think you may have a miss match set up .

Can you give us some backround of the chain of events , pictures are helpful too .

John

[tvnacman]

[pryce]

The stator is fine... I did a weird test... I stripped whire from an normal 120vAV in 12vDc out plug and hooked it up to the yellow wire of the stator and the other plug to a ground, then I hooked up the output side into the rest of the yellow wire and the other one to ground. The lights came on but only at high rpm due to a larg amount of load, all of the light, but they came on none the less so I am certain it is just the crappy R/R I have. I'm thinking switching to a 5 white R/R. Are there any objections to this? Is anyone confused yet on what I did lol.

[tvnacman]

if your going to make charging system mods , I would go with the 11pole stator and 7pin regulator upgrade .
I have a 4pin regulator that I know will work for you , provided you wire it with my instruction .

John

[Alleyoop]

I have a very simple question, The R/R is supposed to be PLUG AND PLAY what may I ask is different on his STATOR that will not work with a 4 plug R/R? This should not be a ball buster If the stator has the wires coming from the STATOR Plugged into the wrong slots in the PLUG would it not make sense to Find which wires from the stator or doing what and then switch the wires in the PLUG in the correct positions?

I mean snit take the Flywheel off and see which colors wires are coming from where and they should be swapped into the right slots in the plug so it would be a plug and play into the R/R.

Or is the STATOR setup for a DC system?

Alleyoop

[tvnacman]

Feb 1, 2014 21:57:15 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

I have a very simple question, The R/R is supposed to be PLUG AND PLAY what may I ask is different on his STATOR that will not work with a 4 plug R/R? This should not be a ball buster If the stator has the wires coming from the STATOR Plugged into the wrong slots in the PLUG would it not make sense to Find which wires from the stator or doing what and then switch the wires in the PLUG in the correct positions?

I mean snit take the Flywheel off and see which colors wires are coming from where and they should be swapped into the right slots in the plug so it would be a plug and play into the R/R.

Or is the STATOR setup for a DC system?

Alleyoop

Al I understand what your expressing above , Ball buster never came to mind .
Yes the regulator should be plug and play , provided it was matched to the harness plug . Do we know if this ever worked correctly ? We did not ask if it had work done on it before this problem came about . We do not know if the stator plug wires are in the correct position or if the wire color is wired correct on the stator windings .

Something is funky about this charging and voltage regulating system . A new regulator has been thrown at it without correction . That tells us either the sourced part is defective or the wiring is incorrect . I suggested wiring the regulator a different way that did not seem to work . I could be wrong but I also do not know the regulator configuration . So the part of trouble shooting of known good part or wiring configuration is not there . To solve this problem we need a solid base line .

Stators only provide ac voltage .
This stator provides ac voltage for lighting .
This stator provides ac voltage for ignition .
This stator provides ac voltage for pulse reference signal .
This stator provides ac voltage to the rectifier to be converted to dc voltage to charge the battery .

The fact that the stator has a coil to power the ignition , this is an ac ignition system .

I hope the above is digest able .

John

[pryce]

Prior to replacing the engine, all of the electronics worked great. The previous engine had an 8 coil stator in it and I'm pretty sure the new engine has an 8 coil stator so i just plugged in the stator the same as before, yellow to yellow, white to white, and green to green. I'm waiting for the flywheel puller to arrive, I just ordered and it should be here sometime within the next week, so i can tell you what is going on inside shortly.


This should be a picture of the wires coming from the stator its self

This is the mod I did to see if i could even regulate the voltage and it worked but only once the voltage reached 120VAC lol

This is the picture of my new regulator and how i have it hooked up right now and nothing is happening... go figure

[pryce]

ok... so the images didn't go as planned, you can right click and copy link URL and past it in your browser to see them if that helps lol

[Alleyoop]

HAHAHAHA, now where oh where are the links: Yep got to see the stator that is in there and what the wires are I would bet that is the problem.
Alleyoop

[tvnacman]

I'm wondering if the ignition winding and the charging and lighting windings are mixed up .

Bare in mind the regulator on the ac lighting side (yellow wire) the regulator loads down that ac voltage to keep it at about 14vac so when you run and rev the engine without any load/lights the regulator has to dump the extra , just so you can take your measurement . When everything is connected that lighting coil is feeding 40w to the lights the regulator has to dump any excess when the RPM and output increases . then the rectifier side if the regulator converts the ac from the charging coil/white wire . The dc output is controlled by the regulator not to go over 14 or 15vdc , if it wants to climb higher it then has to dump the excess to ground .

Pryce you can text or email me the pictures and I will post and look at them for you .

I'm not sure of the test you did , but 120v from the lighting coil seems high , I wonder what you get while cranking .

John

[Alleyoop]

John he may have the Volt meter set on the wrong setting.
Stator putting out 120v never heard of that before.
Alleyoop

[Bashan]

OK, I retrieved the guys pix. I'm not sure of the order:

[Bashan]

I can definitely say that is your standard AC single phase stator with the yellow AC lighting wire which should be around 20v AC unregulated. The white charging wire that should be 20 to 40v AC unregulated. And a 120 volt apparatus that I don't have a clue as to what the hell that has to do with anything. I guess I missed some of this party. badday

[Alleyoop]

Yea what in the heck is that WALL PLUG THING doing on a scoot?? and what is it connected to.
Alleyoop

[tvnacman]

That is a power adaptor , that steps down or converts to a lower ac or dc output .

I posted I wanted to see what the cranking voltage is from the yellow white and red/black .

John