Scooter Kasinski Prima 50cc CDI squematics 6 wires plug By sabotendar (Read 19,131 times)

[JR]

Rich I think the JOG 50 is close because again they did pattern some of the older model 2 strokers after it. I've got several Hyosung 50cc 2T owner manuals but none with a wiring diagram and I've been really looking for leads on a diagram. Hyosung is stingy with their service manuals.

When he gets up and has a chance and can send us a picture of what the 4-wire plug with single connector plugs into we'll still be kind of in the dark.

I still have a thought that we may have one of these odd ball setups. A lot of scooters sent to Brazil have the European way of doing things and you never know what you're going to turn up. Here is a thread that gave me a good education on this:

thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/thread/219

Also here is another and look at the wiring diagram on the second post, it is in Dutch but you can tell what is what and you'll see the CDI/R/R setup, no R/R no fire. That diagram is of the Suzuki Ay50 which is a carbon copy of the Honda Sky and SGX50 both made for Europe and England.


www.thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/thread/3154/honda-sgx-50

You can enlarge the diagram and see it well. We got to find a Hyosung diagram.

JR

[sabotendar]

Helo guys im here again i will post some photos soon.

[sabotendar]

Mar 29, 2014 20:37:38 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

SABA, look for another BOX like the CDI BOX one is your CDI and one is the Regulator/Rectifier to charge the battery and take a picture of it and the wires going in and out. Don't worry the guys will figure how to replace the CDI. Just need to make sure that pic you put it IS THE CDI, because JR thinks it is the R/R and NOT the CDI.
Alleyoop

Yeah! i find it here the picture:

Posted by Alleyoop yesterday at 11:45pm

Also don't worry about the carb not to much can go wrong with the carbs. Have you tried to adjust it? Does the motor run?

Alleyoop

Yes I have "played" with the screws of the carb and there is a setting that the engine seems to work but nothing happens and as it loses strength after i kick the crank it works and for a matter of seconds and stops again. Just to const the new battery discharged after trying to use inumerous times the automatic start so i have to charge again.

Posted by The Great Stinkytoday at 12:33am

At this point I'm thinking swing and a miss. I can't make the wire colors match up with the diagram. Now it is possible that it is the correct diagram and somebody swapped wires. It happens all the time. I gotta take a break. Sabo, don't let it get you down buddy, this is how these things go. Maybe Jack will be around later if he's up late and he can straighten this out. I tend to run on adrenaline, Jack and Alley actually step back and use their intellect. That's always a smarter course. But let me go refill my adrenal glands. Hey Sabo.....winky wink. God....I hope your wife didn't see that! We're just pals Mr's Sabo....just kidding!

Ok! I count on you guys 

[JR]

OK guys I found the diagram to this thing! My godaddy server is doing weekend maintenance right now and I can't upload it but will sometime today. So just wait and I'll get it today and we'll get this thing fixed, the pictures confirm my diagram including the wire colors. We will get it fixed.

JR

[sabotendar]

Reply #63 posted today at 10:48am

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Post by JR on today at 10:48am

OK guys I found the diagram to this thing! My godaddy server is doing weekend maintenance right now and I can't upload it but will sometime today. So just wait and I'll get it today and we'll get this thing fixed, the pictures confirm my diagram including the wire colors. We will get it fixed.



JR

Hey this is good im wait here!


Now I will tell about "my sad story" this scoot I got from a friend, he told me that she only worked drowned and taught me how connected I had to stifle the duct air of the carburetor and turn the bike and it worked well during 2 months until I buy new fuel she walked over one day and I hung up, on the other day when I tried to turn on she no longer worked anymore, even with a full tank. this 2 months i change the baterry and have looking for guy to paint and clean her.

[Bashan]

OK, I see now, drowned is called "rich" in carburetor lingo Sabo. When you restrict the air flow, or "stifle" you richen the mixture by changing the fuel air ratio. You can also change that with the air/fuel screw but I prefer to let Alley go over that with you, he's da man on that.

You said you had a sad story and then said drowned and I thought somebody died. Now if in fact nobody died THAT's HILARIOUS. Almost as funny as Cyborg's steamer. That's the name of his boat. He painted it brown. It's a floater.

Sabo, that air filter, in my opinion is horrible. Like you say, you have to stifle it. The original is gone? We need to get something else together. I'll look at it and see what I can come up with. Alley what do you think? Uni maybe with a short rubber connector from Lowes? I'm just floating balloons.

[Bashan]

I just talked to Jack, he's getting your diagram together Sabo, he has identified your arcane scooter, and he's FEEDING THE CHICKENS! I am not lying! You people thought I was making that up about the coop didn't you? Oh foolish Earthlings! You are in peril! Flee....flee now! Shhhh...quiet....here he comes. Hey Jack....whaddup?

[sabotendar]

I have a video for you about the scoot is when i turn on.

Click here -->  My scooter

OK, I see now, drowned is called "rich" in carburetor lingo Sabo. When you restrict the air flow, or "stifle" you richen the mixture by changing the fuel air ratio. You can also change that with the air/fuel screw but I prefer to let Alley go over that with you, he's da man on that.



You said you had a sad story and then said drowned and I thought somebody died. Now if in fact nobody died THAT's HILARIOUS. Almost as funny as Cyborg's steamer. That's the name of his boat. He painted it brown. It's a floater.



Sabo, that air filter, in my opinion is horrible. Like you say, you have to stifle it. The original is gone? We need to get something else together. I'll look at it and see what I can come up with. Alley what do you think? Uni maybe with a short rubber connector from Lowes? I'm just floating balloons.

The air filter is hollow (nothing inside) so i place this i try to buy something to place inside of old one but the selers dont have nothing so i have to buy this filter.


my air filter and my hairy legs!

inside my carb.


Needle of acelerator

[Alleyoop]

AHHA, so that bigger square box IS the CDI and you have a 4 wire R/R. That is why PICTURES are worth a thousand words.

Now that carb WOW!! in the picture WHERE IS The MAIN JET it looks like there is just a HOLE. I think you need a new CARB that thing looks like it has seen better days.
Alleyoop

In the open hole IS THAT WHERE THE NEEDLE your holding in your hands falls into?

[sabotendar]

Mar 30, 2014 13:32:13 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

AHHA, so that bigger square box IS the CDI and you have a 4 wire R/R. That is why PICTURES are worth a thousand words.

Now that carb WOW!! in the picture WHERE IS The MAIN JET it looks like there is just a HOLE. I think you need a new CARB that thing looks like it has seen better days.
Alleyoop

In the open hole IS THAT WHERE THE NEEDLE your holding in your hands falls into?

Sorry the hole without a jet i remove to clean this is because he is ausent on pic the other jet i cannot have a screw to remove besides he look faulty but i can't remove this guy. Did you see that video i send?

[Bashan]

Video? Carburetor? I'm still trying to get your hairy legs out of my skull. Sheesh man, I started to panic, I couldn't tell what all those creases were! But I sold the images on E-bay for $300.00! I'll send you your cut Sabo....winky winky. I showed my wife the GIF of the winking chicken and now she's going "winky winky " everytime she walks by me. What have I started.

First, you have a slight spark, is that correct? Second, Alley may have posted this already but you got to have a jet for the needle to go through. They screw into the bottom of the carb. They look like this:

And here is one out:

Was there anything like that? That's one bizarre carb, a round float....clever. Maybe 2Ts are like that a lot. I don't work on them. Snifffffff. I'm a scooter snob. No I'm not, I had a two cycle cycle once. Of course that made it a four cycle and I WILL work on those.  Hey Jvino...  pptthhhhhbbbbtttttbtbtbtbtb!

[Alleyoop]

I saw your VIDEO, now after doing that TAKE out the SPARK PLUG and see if it is WET from FUEL or DRY. IF DRY then no gas is getting into the motor IF WET then the SPARK PLUG IS NOT FIRING.

If think your not getting any gas THAT JET that is in the hole dip THAT IS your PILOT JET which is the one that FEEDS FUEL for starting and IDLING and about up to 20mph. SO if at all possible get that JET OUT so you can CLEAN IT and THE PASSAGE as well. What you can try is GET A SPRAY CAN OF CARB CLEANER they come with a THIN LONG STRAW and STICK it in that hole in the PILOT JET HOLE ITSELF and SPRAY and see if you see SPRAY COMING OUT inside the carb. If it does then it is clear if not it is CLOGGED.
Alleyoop

[sabotendar]

Mar 30, 2014 14:36:34 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

I saw your VIDEO, now after doing that TAKE out the SPARK PLUG and see if it is WET from FUEL or DRY. IF DRY then no gas is getting into the motor IF WET then the SPARK PLUG IS NOT FIRING.

If think your not getting any gas THAT JET that is in the hole dip THAT IS your PILOT JET which is the one that FEEDS FUEL for starting and IDLING and about up to 20mph. SO if at all possible get that JET OUT so you can CLEAN IT and THE PASSAGE as well. What you can try is GET A SPRAY CAN OF CARB CLEANER they come with a THIN LONG STRAW and STICK it in that hole in the PILOT JET HOLE ITSELF and SPRAY and see if you see SPRAY COMING OUT inside the carb. If it does then it is clear if not it is CLOGGED.
Alleyoop

Ok i will remove the carb. again and find a way to remove that jet and about that spark i remove the and is dry so no gas on there the gas dont came out from carb i will see again.

[Alleyoop]

Good, DRY, that is what I thought because you said you where getting spark and if it sparks it would want to try to start if a little bit of gas was getting in there. So that PILOT JET and OR the PASSAGE is clogged.
Alleyoop

[JR]

OK guys I've got it all figured out. First of all I just put in a image resize plugin and you will see all photos reduced in size, this helps the page load faster especially for slower computers. Now if you put your cursor/hand over the photo and click it will go back to the original size, nice when you need to view a diagram in full view.

OK point blank this "is" a Hyosung scooter and here is the service manual for it:

www.jr-richscooterdoc.com/Hyosung_SF50_prima_service_manual.pdf

Second of all this is "not" a Dc type CDI but a AC type, here is the wiring diagram:

CDI = 6-wire and the colors and where they go are as follows and this scooter "does" not have a engine kill switch on the handle bars, it is stopped  through ignition key switch.

B/W (black/white) = ground

B/R (black/red) = AC feed from stator to CDI

Br (brown) = pulse coil

W (white) = pulse coil

B/Y (black/yellow) = CDI kill wire from key switch

W/L (white/blue) = feed to spark plug coil

Here is the CDI pin layout and color scheme from the manual:

Also in his photo he posted the R/R and it is a 4-wire version and the colors are:

White/red = AC from stator to R/R

Yellow/White = Ac from stator to R/R

Red = DC charging voltage to battery

Black/white = ground.

Now if he is to convert it to another CDI got to have a 6-wire type and know the pin layout on it also. Now here is something we need to know, do we have AC from the stator feed wire (B/R) and on the pulse coil wire and yes it is a 2-wire pulse coil version?

JR