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Post by damin69 on Jul 15, 2010 6:47:11 GMT -6
Relay is going in, if I can gain .7 Volts I think I will be good. Ok. What wire are you guy hooking the Relay trigger to?
The extra Fans are coming out as they have little or no effect on keeping the main fan off. I think the only way to help keep that main fan off is to add on the extra radiator. So until I can do that Mod I just want to get the system Stable.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 14, 2010 20:04:18 GMT -6
I have to say for Retro look them are some nice looking scooters. Scooters are so much fun.. Cant help it if they look good in and out of boxes. :-)
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Post by damin69 on Jul 14, 2010 19:40:49 GMT -6
Ok as far as testing today goes Call it all scrap I am so pissed at myself it is not funny. Remember that loose connection from the stator I mentioned. Well I really think that damn thing was killing my readings today. I thought it was really weird that I was getting really iratic readings tonight. I left work I was over 13.5 kept that until 10 miles down the road. Where I pulled off into a parking lot to make a phone call and left scooter idle. I basically hit a bump going into the station I stopped. So when I stopped my voltage when from 13.5 with Fan on to 10.2 volts and it never moved all the reast of the way home. It was Hot out but I was not able to go balls out on the way home like I planned I was driving directly into a wind blowing about 25-30 mph I had a couple of time I thought I was going to get blown off the road. So my temps were not up really to normal.
SO I get home I'm pissed off pull off the body again and that 3 phase plug basically falls apart. I soldered new ends on the Stator wires that fit the plug tight and if it is not raining tomorrow I will try testing again. Temps are out side are supposed to be pretty much the same as today. But it will be higher humidity as it is raining now and going to rain til about 5 am. Crossing fingers it is all done.
Needless to say today was a total BUST :-(
Cause either I had a really bad connection or when my Stator Gets HOT it bottoms out.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 14, 2010 13:55:06 GMT -6
JR, I agree 100%. Keeping the fan OFF is going to be key. Yes it is going to be a hot one. and that drop does worry me a bit. And the fact that the fan came on quite a bit this am. Well Is kinda my fault also. Remeber my last modd of the 2 120mm fans well they sit directly infront of an already blocked radiator. And for Testing purposes I am not running any of my extra cooling fans right now. So I expect that is not helping the air flow on keeping my scoot cool. If I can run hard going home tonight and still be able to start my scooter. I call this a HUGE sucess. This is only first day so will keep testing. I will have another day that I test with the added fans. if I do not see much diff I may remove them fans all together.
I have a 18HP lawn mower that I do not use. If I can get the local small engine guy to trade me one of them little radiators like you showed in that other thread I will give him that for the radiator. Then I can add that to my system also.
But so far I am happy with the results. 200% better than my previous charging attempts.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 14, 2010 11:10:03 GMT -6
I agree with you on the cooling circuit. Over all without the fan kicking on it is well over 14 volts. Yes I am running the 3 amp cooling fan. That big drop worries me a bit also. On the other side my Battery voltage before and after stayed the same. We will see how this afternoon goes. Could be very interesting with temps upwards of 90 degrees with heat index around 105. I will be crossing my (well everything) LOL. All in all still better results than I have had with any of the other RRs I have. I have never ever gotten to over 14 volts with everything running but the fan. I have always been 12.5-13.2 volt prior to Main cooling fan.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 14, 2010 6:45:32 GMT -6
OK Morning Testing 55 miles to work.
I had noticed when I plugged in the Stator that plug was not quite as tight as I would like so not sure if that has anything to do with my Readings this am. My Batt Voltage before I started scooter was 12.68 Volts. Started out the first 10 Miles of my trip are along the river and are fairly curvy roads so average speet around 50 mph. Fan kicked in 3 times along that road. The voltage was reading 14.5 volts until Fan came on along that road then would drop down to 13.2 volts. As soon as fan would kick off the votage would then come right back up to 14.5 volts. Did this 3 times in that first 10 miles. Now I turn on to HWY 14 at Gothom head East to Madison 45 miles. So now I kick it down and start cruising at 57-58 mph avg about 5200 rpm. Voltage is about 14.5 for about 4 miles then Fan came on and pretty much stays on next 10 miles voltage stays steady about 12.6 volts. Then for the next 36 miles my voltage stays between 12.5 and 12.58 Volts. I pass through 3 towns one is really small and did not make any difference. The other 2 I slow down to 30 mph all the way through town and about the time I get to the end of Town Fan kicks off and Voltage would jump to 14.4 then as soon as I would open it back up voltage would drop down until it was stead again at about 12.5 volts. My Battery Voltage When I shut off bike was 12.61 Volts
Crap I forgot to feel the regulator when I got off the bike.
Temp this am was 69 degrees and about 20 percent humidity.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 13, 2010 20:01:56 GMT -6
Oh yeah.. I should mention with this RR it is the First time since I have had this scooter. I am over 14 VOLTS Ever....... ;D
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Post by damin69 on Jul 13, 2010 19:15:37 GMT -6
OK here we go. Lets start by saying to do this install should take less than an hour. I was able to take the back off install take pictures, Start up, Warm up bike till fan comes on and take readings and put back together in an Hour. at time of doing these test I did not run any of my other cooling fans this is all bone stock. I wanted scooter to warm up quicker to kick in the fan. I will be taking scooter to work tomorrow. I will be running at 5000 rpm and holding 55-58 mph both ways to work. Round trip is 110 miles. It is always cool in the am so I have never had any problems starting scooter right after work. So the big test will be tomorrow after work. Suppose to be about 81 degrees and humid tomorrow so the run home at 5000 rpm the main fan should be on most of the time. So if I still have Both headlights and can still start the scooter after I get home That will be a good sign. Since I have not wired in the perm volt meter yet I will be going out and makeing a wire to plug into my batt Tender plug so I can use my DMM and keep an eye on the voltages tomorrow and will post my results after I get home. When I get the CDI/Coil from Tom I will install my perm volt meter also. Ok so on to the pictures and Results. One thing I did notice with new RR. My idle was higher than normal when warm I had to adjust it down a bit as it was turning the clutch. Voltage readings taken at battery. This was voltage prior to starting scooter. Voltage Right After I started scooter. This was my Voltage IDLE before I turned it down. was Idleing about 2300 rpm Voltage at 4500 rpm Voltage With scooter Warm Main Cooling fan on. Voltage at IDLE after Idle adjusted to 1700 rpm. Warm Fan running. Here are some of the install pictures.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 13, 2010 18:50:06 GMT -6
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Post by damin69 on Jul 12, 2010 21:29:19 GMT -6
Ok This is the new Thread for my Oregon Motorcycle Parts Regulator Rectifier Upgrade. So I get home today and have a nice surprise in my mail box. You got it delivery from Tony at Oregon Motorcycle Parts(OMP) www.oregonmotorcycleparts.comOk I really though that the regulator was going to be a bit bigger. But believe me don't let the size fool you. It may be a bit smaller but it definitely weights more than the China Stock RR.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 12, 2010 20:21:40 GMT -6
Cruiser, That is Awesome. I would be extactic if I could be stable at over 13.5 volts..... I am going to give this bad boy a try this week. Will let you all know how it goes. Don not let the size fool you. Even though it is smaller it actually weights more than the Chinese stock RR. You can tell just by the feel that it is made of quality parts. I can not wait to get this on and give it a try. I hope I have enough time after work tomorrow to get it installed. I will continue to put up pictures as I go here www.pbase.com/damin69/oregon_motorcycle_parts
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Post by damin69 on Jul 11, 2010 20:36:11 GMT -6
WOW that looks really nice. Much nicer looking that the stock white plastic.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 10, 2010 20:53:48 GMT -6
My voltage is still dropping but the battery stays some what stable at under 40 mph. My voltage drops enough that one of my HIDs actually goes out also. So basically the scooter is only keeping the battery from going dead by shutting down items. I would just LOVE to have STABLE voltage on the out put instead of the MAJOR Drop when the main cooling fan kicks in. So taking it easy that fan does not kick in and with the fan off the system charges. With fan on all the time running 55 mph the voltage drops to the point that it drains the battery. I am hope full that a regulator that can handle the higher current will actually stabilize the voltage so that the system will actually charge properly.
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Post by damin69 on Jul 10, 2010 17:35:27 GMT -6
I finally got my new stator and installed it this morning. Now I'm getting 30VAC at idle. The people at partsforchinesescooters.com exchanged the wrong stator with a 20% restocking fee on the old one. All in all it is still cheaper that Roketa.com would have been. I noticed that my regulator was very hot after only a few minutes of run time too. I had never noticed this before. I'm very interested in this new magic regulator cause I'm betting the one I bought wont last long. In any event, I'm all up and running again, thanks in part to the helpful people in this forum. I don't know what I'd do without you guys. WOW I'm still suprised that your AC voltage is so low. At idle mine is at 60VAC. I just got home from a day out scootcaching with my dad. Kept my rpms below 4500 all day and was able to go all day without having to jump my scoot to start it. I left all my extra fans off. Temps out side 85 degrees all day 10 to 20 min jawnt between caches then scoot wound sit and cool off for like 10 to 15 min. Reg did not show today so looks like I have to mow lawn tomorrow instead of work on scoot :-(
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Post by damin69 on Jul 9, 2010 16:16:47 GMT -6
Yup that is a biggie Regulator that is for sure. The one at OregonMotorcycleparts he is putting plugs on to match the stock OEM plugs from our Jonways. If this all works he can make them up and send them out to anyone that needs them and should be a direct Plug in to the wire harness. He has the schematic now for the Jonway and pictures of the plugs he was a bit suprised. He said that that is the same plugs unchanged of what the Vintage Hondas USE, So he figures it will probably work and out last the scooter.
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