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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 24, 2014 18:58:21 GMT -6
I took the muffler and pipe off and could not see that the gasket was even bad or burned. So I messed with the clamp to make it round again and put it back together. I thought I fixed it. I could not feel any air putting out around the flange. But then again tonight after looking at it, I could see the white/grey residue around the pipe again. It looks like I need to order the short pipe/flange and the gaskets. I think the pipe is not round causing it not to seal properly. This engine came with a 32mm carb and when I checked the main jet last year when I bought it new, I believe the main jet was 112. I thought then that was rather small. I have been experimenting with different jets since. Now, I don't remember what pilot it came with. I have a 36, 38, 40, 42. I have the 38 in it now.
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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 24, 2014 16:55:56 GMT -6
I thought I had this running good but now this popping is getting worse. I have a 2013 Jonway YY250TT scooter with the CF250 engine. The scooter is popping through the carb when it is running at 4000 rpms to 5000 rpms. It also won't hold steady at thoughs rpms and will actually surge with bigger than a 138 main jet is installed. I have been trying different jet combinations to see if I can clear it up but it will only get worse but not go away with the different jets. I don't find any air leaks at the intake or carb area but I do have a small leak at the exhaust flange I can't stop. I even tried a different cab but it still does it. I also noticed that I have very little response at my air fuel mix screw. I can turn it all the way in and it will still idle great no matter what size jet I put into it. It has always done this with the air mix screw ever since I found a tool that could get to it and that was about a 1000 miles ago or so. I've have 112 to 144 mains in it to test different combinations. Do I have a valve problems or what is going on? I have 3300 miles on it. All highway miles. Read more: itistheride.boards.net/thread/5754/popping-carb#ixzz2zqaMKZDv
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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 18, 2014 9:42:28 GMT -6
Thanks for the link for the jets. I just had my first real test for my scoot after all the adjustments. I'm impressed. I have a 27 mile commute to work and when I first noticed having problems this year was just 5 days ago when I rode to work against very heavy head winds. Couldn't get up to speed and even the rpms would not respond. I will mention that I have a Givi tall replacement wind shield. Yesterday was a copy of that same day with different results. The scoot was unaffected by the wind. I was able to maintain 65 to 70mpr with no problem at all. No flat spots, no bogging, no backfiring, and loss of power. This is way they should run out of the box. Thanks for the help.
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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 16, 2014 5:52:21 GMT -6
I thought I might post the results of my progress with this scooter incase anyone that has one of these with the CN250 or CF250 vertical engines might be reading this post. I ended up with a 138 main jet and a 40 pilot jet and adjusted the carb after all the other mods I did. These mods are removing the air box, charcoal canister, and installing a foam UNI style pod filter directly on the front of the carb. I routed the crankcase vent hose with a pcv valve and a fuel filter, to keep dirt out, high on the back of the frame. Blocked off the gas tank vent hose and drilled a 1/8" hole in my gas cap because I suspect my tank vent is plugged. I fixed an exhaust leak and in the process of doing that discovered that my muffler had come apart inside. So I cut the end cap off with a hack saw so see if any parts fell out. No chance, everything is rattling on the other end. So I left the cap off and just pushed on the end cap that bolts on with two screws and used that for the end cap. You'll have to use a couple of screws to secure it. The muffler sounds great and I'm sure that frees up some restriction. On my road test drive this thing runs great. I used to cruise 60mph at 5000rpm. Now it does 60 at 4200rpm. When I'm doing 5000rpm, I'm doing 70mph. Big power difference. No flat spots like before and better take off speed. I still think I could use a bigger main jet but 138 is the biggest I have. I am having problems finding bigger ones on the net. Any input or suggestions are welcome. I'm still fairly green at working on these 250s.
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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 15, 2014 21:11:19 GMT -6
I just came in from working on my scoot. I have a 138 main and a 40 slow. Before when I thought I had a 138 in, it was actually a 118. I miss read my jet when I put it in. It runs better and I got rid of the flat spots, but when I run it at 5k or 6k for any length of time, it will begin to buck and start backfiring. I let off the throttle and let it recover and will straighten out. If I rev it, it will act ok. No backfire on decel. Only if I hold it at high revs. I noticed my muffler came apart inside. I cut the back off to se if any parts would fall out but it is all the other end. I left the cap off I cut off and it sounds pretty good that way. I probably derestricked it also. Any thoughts?
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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 15, 2014 18:46:24 GMT -6
OK Thanks. I will take care of both things right away. How do I get the attachments button turned on for me so I can post pics?
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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 15, 2014 18:15:33 GMT -6
Thanks for the response. I did adjust the mixture screw and that seemed odd to me. It runs best all the way turned in. The mixture screw is between the carb and the head underneath. I did put the 138 jet back in and I either have a 40 or a 42 in for the pilot. I didn't check that. I did notice that my exhaust is leaking at the flange. I will see if I can fix that. Will that make a difference in the performance that much? I have pics but I can't figure how to post them.
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Post by rsw1158 on Apr 15, 2014 16:48:18 GMT -6
I have a Jonway YY250T, 2013, that I think has a carb problem. I noticed from day one that the scooter has a flat spot in the throttle response between 4k and 5k than again at 6k and over. I have rejetted this carb anywhere from a 110 main jet to a 138 main jet and tried different air intake variations. I also tried different pilot jet combos from a 38 to a 42. I always have the same flat spots. These flat spots really didn't bother me until the other day when I was up against really strong head winds. The winds where restricting the scooter where it couldn't get up to the 5k range where it likes to cruise at 60mph. It was making me hang around in that 4 to 5k flat spot area and wouldn't unleash any more power to get out of it. It was bogging, spitting, and back firing if I would open the throttle then would recover when I backed off a little and run ok but was on the low end of the 4k range and only achieving about 52mph. I now want to try and resolve this problem and get this thing running great. I did disconnect the charcoal canister and vented my gas cap. I also added the pcv valve and filter on crank case vent hose and mounted higher than the cylinder head incase you wanted to know about any mods. Also I am running a Uni style foam filter straight off the front of the carb. There is a hose that ran from some sort of gizmo that is attached to the header pipe on the exhaust and vents to the air box. What is that gizmo and what is the correct thing to do to the hose? I just have it plugged off.
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Post by rsw1158 on Sept 19, 2013 14:08:33 GMT -6
I did have it off and I will take it back off since I know the problem wasn't caused by the mods I made on my scooter. I think that I am going to leave the oem air box on though because I had to rejet my carb with a whopping 135 main jet and a 42 slow jet just to get it to richen up enough to match the amount of air being injested using the free flow foam air filter. It runs very strong like that but I am sure fuel consumption would be an issue.
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Post by rsw1158 on Sept 19, 2013 12:57:12 GMT -6
Alleyoop, thanks. And everyone else. It was the tank vent plugged. I cracked the gas cap and it is happy days again. I will try and find a vented cap and solve this problem once and forever.
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Post by rsw1158 on Sept 18, 2013 20:16:38 GMT -6
Also, when I do get this up to speed to where it acts up and back off a little, the motor does not speed up or settle down. It will bring its self to a mere idle then straighten its self up.
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Post by rsw1158 on Sept 18, 2013 20:12:47 GMT -6
I did notice something about the gas tank pressure I forgot about until you just mentioned it. It builds up a lot of pressure. The hose that comes off the tank and goes to the canister is a vent isn't it? When I was putting things together tonight and draining the tank, I tried to blow and suck on that line and nothing happens. I couldn't blow through it and I couldn't draw through it. I did have the cap off when I did this. Is this normal or is it plugged?
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Post by rsw1158 on Sept 18, 2013 19:38:23 GMT -6
The wild goose chase is on. I went through everything fuel and vacuum wise to make sure it was not a lean or rich problem causing this cutting out issue. I even went as far as to put the scoot back 100% stock as I bought it. I even filled the air box snorkel with water to check for air leaks and went around the air box and made sure there was no air leaks there before installing the air box. I even drained the carb and gas tank and put new gas in it to eliminate bad gas if that was the problem. It still does it. It will start acting up not before I get to 55 to 60mph when I am accelerating to go faster. It will let me cruse at 55 with no problem. After that, it's a gamble. Since it started acting up, I have replaced all the fuel and vacuum lines and a new fuel pump. Also adjusted the valves. What else could cause this problem?
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Post by rsw1158 on Sept 16, 2013 20:13:54 GMT -6
Funny you mentioned that. When I went through the carb I also rejetted it because I felt it was lean. I went from a 38 slow to a 40 and a 120 main to a 130. It ran stronger but still acted up but didn't stall. It should be plenty rich by now you would think. The fuel air adjustment screw was non responsive before I rejetted and now I turn it about 1/4 turn out from flat to reach max rpm. After that, it will slow down. If I completely turn in flat, it will not stall but just slow down a little. This is my set up other than the rejetting. I removed my air box and installed a foam free flow air filter onto the oem air box air snorkel. Removed the carbon canister and vented my crankcase with a pvc valve and filter. Any thoughts?
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Post by rsw1158 on Sept 16, 2013 18:59:39 GMT -6
I have a new Jonway YY250T 244cc scooter, vertical engine. It is about 2 months old and just turned over 2000 miles. It has been running great until Friday on my way to work. I was about 7 miles into my 24 mile commute and the engine started acting like it was starving for fuel. It eventually bogged down to an idle with no throttle response then stalled and would not start. I tried starting it a few times but would not start. It even backfired a few times while trying to start. I left the scooter and had my wife take me to work. I got a ride back to my scoot after worked and it started up after a few burps and rode back like there was nothing wrong. I took the carb off and tore it down inspected and cleaned it with carb cleaner but is was very clean. Didn't see any dirt or debree to be concerned about. I reinstalled and test drove. It would only act up at full throttle. Again, it felt like it was starved for fuel. I ended up adjusting the valves and replacing the fuel pump. Mikuni DF52T. I also replaced the fuel filter, fuel lines, and vacuum hoses. I made sure I didn't have any vacuum leaks or air leaks. It still wants to act up at full throttle. It will start slowing down or bogging down like it isn't getting fuel. After I back off the throttle it will clear up and let me continue on at about 3/4 throttle. When it is at full throttle I noticed it won't ever tach out past 6K. Could the CDI be giving me grief? Any and all help will be appreciated.
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