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Post by mxmatt on May 23, 2014 11:02:11 GMT -6
With all things being equal a vertical engine is a better design too. Ooooh! Do tell all. I have been wanting to learn and hear feedback about this in particular as it relates to the 250cc motors. What makes it a better design? Not trying to fan any flames here, just tryn' a learn. |
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Post by mxmatt on May 23, 2014 10:59:12 GMT -6
Well I certainly wouldn't be the one to ask about the 150cc's. I've had a pretty rough go with mine, but if you PM DrRocco on this board, he sort of did what I am doing with his ToaToa EVO 150 a few months back. In fact, I was very much on my way to purchasing his exact scoot until feedback I got from some of the admins on the board about needing a liquid cooled scoot in AZ became important to me. DrRocco is very friendly and I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you have. Obviously, I would do an exhaustive PDI on whatever you purchase. That seems to be the key to having success. Hope that helps. PS - I was really interested in the newer 200cc (actually a 172cc) scooters, but I didn't want to take a chance on them since they are newer to the market and I'm done working on my scoot every other day.  |
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Post by mxmatt on May 21, 2014 21:33:21 GMT -6
Something ain't right. I'm getting a ticking noise now in addition to the mid range power feeling diminished. Valves?
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Post by mxmatt on May 21, 2014 18:23:57 GMT -6
 White walls! That's awesome. Parts galore huh? Give me your top three favorite 250 parts for the Honda clone model.
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Post by mxmatt on May 21, 2014 10:01:55 GMT -6
Well I was afraid of this. I think I may have put ten miles on my motor thinking I had ruined another starter clutch before I parked it.  It is starting up and idling fine. The only think I am noticing is that right after take off and just into the mid range, I am having a minor loss of power, then it picks up and is fine. At first I attributed this to the new 842 belt I installed, but now I'm wondering if maybe I had burned up the rings and needed to replace them. Penny for your thoughts. |
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Post by mxmatt on May 21, 2014 9:40:07 GMT -6
JR, thanks for the great start. Looking forward to your wisdom while prepping this bad boy!  It is good to know you have had good customer service from KM. I referenced you to the sales guy as the source for the referral. I also name dropped the Scooter Doc Forum and put in a good word for all you "knowitalls" here.  Roketa250, sorry to hear you are having issues with your scoot right now. I currently have a 150cc and love the little bugger to death. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to spend fixing it to the degree I have been and I need something more reliable. I have owned motorcycles for decades and I'm pretty familiar with them, but I'm much newer to the scoots. One of my better qualities is that I am eager and willing to learn from those who know more than me. And, I am more than happy to impart what I learn to others. All in the name of having fun and enjoying life. Hopefully you get yourself in a position soon to make your order from KM or wherever you choose. I worked with a salesperson named Scott if you need a contact. DrRocco bought a ToaToa EVO 150 from them more recently and he had a good experience as well. I'll be interested to see how your experience and PDI goes as well. |
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Post by mxmatt on May 21, 2014 0:29:11 GMT -6
Would running your scoot for a few miles with a broken oil pump chain be enough to cause this?
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Post by mxmatt on May 20, 2014 23:30:38 GMT -6
Wouldn't you know it, I'm getting blue/grey exhaust right after start up. It goes away after a few seconds, but I've never had this before. Replaced rigs and piston in February. Any ideas?
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Post by mxmatt on May 20, 2014 23:17:06 GMT -6
Well it looks as if I'll be graduating from the 150cc class and entering the realm of the 250cc liquid cooled scooters in the next week or so. Yesterday I placed my order for a New Roketa R1-MC 54 250 from killermotorsorts.com for just over $1800.00. From what I can tell that's not a bad deal. Scott in sales took my call and was very helpful and friendly. So far I'll be purchasing the 2014 Silver colored model with the 244cc Honda clone engine. I don't know what if any updates Roketa has made to the model since last year. I understand that it has a security system and MP3 capability. It is sitting in port in California having just arrived from across the pond. I am suspecting that it will be delivered to my home in Arizona sometime next week. I'm also really anticipating taking my time and completing an exhaustive PDI that I plan to document as much as possible on the board for future members to follow. I would really appreciate any and all tips, tricks, advice and suggestions any and all of you have had with this or similar scooters. JR has been kind enough to instruct me to take copious photographs immediately upon taking delivery while inspecting the scooter for any damaged parts. I'll create a list of to do's in this post to check off as they are completed. Ill ad to it as you boys impart your scooter acumen with me. PDI CHECKLIST
Prior to Delievery
Download 2001-2007 Honda Reflex Manual to iBooks Here
Create Physical or electronic file for notes, photos, documents, etc.
Purchase Blue Loctite (bought mine at Harbor Freight Tools for $2.99)Purchase Oil, Coolant and Brake Fluid (Castrol GTX 20w50, PRO Honda HP Coolant and PRO Honda DOT 4 Brake Fluid were my choices)Purchase small tube of dielectric grease (bought mine at O'Reilly Auto Parts for $3.99)Purchase tube of commercial grade clear silicone (bought mine at Home Depot for $3.97)
Upon Arrival/Delivery Before Signing OffRemove Top Crate Box Cover (have small band cutters handy)
Visually Inspect for any damage (IF any, refuse order, call seller and email them pictures. IF minor, photograph, contact seller and submit claim paperwork)Take your time inspecting before you sign for the delivery (JR says have cookies and milk for driver)
Photograph everything upon delivery. (Document delivery company, truck, driver, phone number, etc.)
After DeliveryRemove box from shipping crate containing top box if your scooter came with one. (Set aside)Removed handle bar mount connected to shipping frame.
Remove windshield from cargo frame. (Set it aside)Remove bolts from top of cargo frame first. Remove top section of cargo frame. Set it aside. (be careful not to let side post of frame collapse and cause damage to scooter) Proceed to remove all bolts from frame while ensuring the scooter remains stable (a second pair of hands here is recommended)Place disconnected pieces of cargo frame out of the way.Untie metal stabilizing wiring from lower sections of the scooter.Lift front wheel out of guide to straight the direction of the handle bars and with assistance, roll the scooter off the shipping crate/pallet. (Some scooters will require that you attach the front wheel, follow instructions)Lower side or center stand and balance the scooter in an area where you can again visually inspect for issues.Photograph any issues you see or whatever you want. (I noticed my CVT gasket was warped and not completely sealed) Contact seller immediately with warranty claim.Open seat using key (mine was in the ignition) and remove stored parts, manuals, paperwork, tools and battery. Read the manual cover to cover and get a feel for what type of maintenance schedule you will use.
Scan all documents into electronic file.
DisassemblyRemove all the top plastic pieces from the scooter exposing the frame, wires, engine and fluid reservoirs.Take photos as you proceed.Use Zip Loc baggies and tape to attach screws and fastens to pieces they came from.Inspect each weld on the frame for rust or poor/broken welds. Sand off rust, apply black Rustoleum.
Electrical ConnectionsInspect each exposed electrical connection for loose wires, poor fittings or damaged connectors.Apply an adequate amount of clear silicone to the wired end of each connector to create a water tight seal. Wait recommended time for silicone to set up.Apply an adequate amount of dielectric grease to the plug end of each connector and reconnect each as you proceed.Be sure to service the connections under the seat in the battery compartment. Especially the fuse box. (I found a gremlin there that kept my fan motor from starting)
Here is what the scoot should look like: Resource Links |
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Post by mxmatt on May 19, 2014 11:21:51 GMT -6
Bump! I got my Oil Pump Chain and Starter Clutch Removoal Tool (worthwhile investment BTW) and got my scoot all back together! It is purr in' like a kitty and running really good. Yesterday I even took my (40lbs) on a 50+ mile ride to a nearby reservoir with no issues or overheating. It was not a cool day in AZ if you check the forecast. So, my take on the scoot for now is this. I still love the little booger, but man can it piss me off sometimes. I do accept that the reason I had to go in and rebuild the damn thing a second time was largely my fault for not installing the starter clutch properly and the more recent happenstance was because I likely put the oil pump chain on the wrong teeth on the crank shaft, or I didn't notice it migrate off of the correct one during installation. You can bet I checked, double checked and triple checked it this time. I am so excited to be back in the saddle. You probably won't hear much from me if/until she takes another turd. OR, my Roketa 250cc Cruiser arrives in the mail!  |
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Post by mxmatt on May 19, 2014 0:03:05 GMT -6
I'm on it. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks
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Post by mxmatt on May 17, 2014 13:53:20 GMT -6
I just read all 20 pages of that thread. Oh my gosh. I'll be damned if I buy that motor until I see some evidence that it is worth it!
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Post by mxmatt on May 16, 2014 21:00:31 GMT -6
But have you actually experienced this fixing the problem or is it theory?
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Post by mxmatt on May 16, 2014 20:57:12 GMT -6
Looks like the Ruckus got an update. Very cool, but not my style. |
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Post by mxmatt on May 16, 2014 11:28:29 GMT -6
I had t ask Alleyoop's question:Dean: Yes how can i assist you Dean: ? Matt: Is this the 157QMJ or the 1P57QMJ motor in this scooter? Matt: www.df-motor.com/UploadFiles/2014318145934404.jpgDean: Let me double check. just a moment Matt: K Matt: It should be stamped on the engine next to the oil drain plug on the below the kick starter. Dean: It is the 161qmk-a Matt: Is this a new engine on the market, or has it been around a while? Matt: I can find information on the web about the 161QMK, but not the "a" version. Can you tell me more about it? Dean: The a is just the specific version Dean: so it is the first in the series Matt: Do you know if there are any differences between versions? Matt: You there? Dean: yes I am trying to find any information I can Matt: OK, thanks. Are you a computer or a person? Dean: I am a person. Matt: OK, sorry. Dean: Ok sir, i apologize for the wait. i had to contact the distributor. If you were to choose, I would get the 157 engine because they have been around more and are known to be reliable. Those are available in our BMS and SSR Vehicles. We do not have any information on the 161 engine because it is so new. As the 161 engine becomes more saturated in our markets, more reviews will become available, but being as it is brand new, the only thing i can say is we have had no complaints. Matt: OK, Thanks.
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? And again at 2033mi. 
White walls! That's awesome. 
It is good to know you have had good customer service from KM. I referenced you to the sales guy as the source for the referral. I also name dropped the Scooter Doc Forum and put in a good word for all you "knowitalls" here. 
