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Post by tominbmore on Aug 13, 2014 12:18:21 GMT -6
Awesome, thank you Rich!!
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 13, 2014 10:10:37 GMT -6
Rich, That is some outstanding input, thank you! I am an electrical noob, so when i finish work I will read your conclusions and suggestions very closely. Could you let me know what you mean by "pigtail?" Also, when you wrote, "Make sure the kill is set to run, just remove the plug to crank.," does crank mean kick start? Same thing? And does "kill set to run" mean don't have the kill switch on? have it as i would have it when i normally start my scooter? Also, by "remove spark," do you mean remove the spark plug? if so, is there a special tool I need? the plug, located up fronmt near the battery, has a large bolt securing it. I have never before removed it, so I wonder whether a special tool is needed, or whether a wrench will do. Could you also let me know what you mean by "set your meter way low if it's not auto ranging?" I have an Equus (Innova) 3320 voltmeter, with digital display... Link to multimeterFinally, could you elaborate for me, in dummy terms, what conclusions I would draw from each of your tests if, say, the voltage is lower than what you say it should be? For example, does a low voltage on the first test suggest bad wires? Bad wire connection? Bad stator? Same with the AC power and "trigger" tests -- what can I conclude iof the reading falls short? I will faithfully follow your instructions -- thanks again! -- and report back. I will first trickle charge my battery with the schumacher charger/maintainer i bought last night. I had a low battery reading of 12.15, so that appears to be at least part of my problem...
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 12, 2014 12:06:30 GMT -6
A guy on tgbforum.com thinks the gizmo I am describing is the starter relay. He thinks i ought to keep looking to find a part with those metal "fins," which he says are needed to help dissipate the excess heat after the R/R only lets through 12 V or so of energy.
I'll keep looking around inside my scoot to find this elusive R/R.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 12, 2014 8:18:03 GMT -6
Thanks for chiming in, Rich! Actually, the CDI is in fact toward the front (TGB scoots definitely like to go their own way, design-wise, I have found). I have taken the CDI off, had it replaced before (the ignition start was failing before and now it is not). Anyhow, the CDI is snug under the cross bar of the frame that divides the main motor area and the area where the battery is. i can post pics later after work. The CDI has 6 - 8 prongs in it, and looks just like this: www.mopedarmy.com/mediawiki/images/4/4a/6pinout.jpgI had another look-see after i came back from the game last night (Go orioles). The thing perched at the front of the gas tank all by its lonesome, did not have all those plugs/prongs on it. It had a male and female connection. One side of that connection has four prominent metal plugs JUST LIKE THIS standard looking R/R does: www.scooterpart.net/productimages/052508/GY6_Rectifier_relay.jpgIn other words, like the two prongs on a standard home appliance plug, but four of them. Key difference of course, as you can see from my pic, is that the gizmo does not have that waffle iron grill exterior, and instead seems covered in thick rubber which I cannot peeel back to look inside. So maybe TGB likes to use R/R's that are just plain different!! Rich, I will follow that wiring diagram to see where it leads. the TGB folks nicely bundled all wires with electrical tape, so to really know the score I'll have to unwrap these neat bundles to see what goes where. T.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 11, 2014 12:50:57 GMT -6
Thanks.
That's a better option than the ol' "battery tender junior charger" in your opinion?
T.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 11, 2014 10:19:20 GMT -6
Thanks alleyoop!
I have seen plenty of diagrams online now and have a better sense of how wires lead from the stator to the CDI, and from the stator to the R/R, and also how wires will go from the R/R to the battery once AC has been converted to DC, and once the voltage has been "regulated" to somewhere around 14 or more maximum output.
I will follow the wires from the thing I think is the R/R, and that red one especially.
Final question: Some folks say that you should not proceed with voltage tests of stator, and the R/R UNLESS the battery is at full charge. My battery yields only a 12.15 before I turn it on. A video I saw online suggested that if there is a low reading like this, it is not good to go ahead with the multimeter tests because the readings may be unpredictable. In that video, the guy charged the battery with a trickle charger, which brought it up to 12.8 WITH THE SCOOTER OFF. Then he went ahead with testing the charging system etc.
You think I should do that first? I can get one at Wal-Mart in Baltimore, I'm pretty sure.
Thanks bud.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 19:57:13 GMT -6
Thank you alleyoop!! Some folks on another forum think I have a fuel issue and I should clean my fuel filter. But based on the battery readings I posted above, this really seems like either the battery or the charging system is weak or needs replacing.
Now the only part I still need to ffind is the RR. You think it might be that black cartridge I photographed in the previous page? It does not look like the traditional RR, but I just can't seem to see where the RR might be hiding so I thought that might be it.
T.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 17:46:39 GMT -6
Tx.
Could you please refer to my photo and indicate which is the "connector" you mention?
Should I ignore the two white connectors at the top of the photo? (I ask because thry ALSO emanate from the stator)
Final question: assuming the blue-white plug is the one I want (see above), how do I know which of the two slots inside of it I should put the red multimeter probe into, and which slot I should put the black multimeter probe into?
I think the black one is for "ground" or something.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 16:11:14 GMT -6
Alleyoop I'm sorry I keep misunderstanding you. When you say disconnect the plug I simply don't know which of those three on yhe left is the right one. I don't wanna hurt myself or some such.
Thanks man
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 16:09:08 GMT -6
More pics for you: Here is the bundle of wires coming out of the stator: Then this doohickey perched on front of gas tank with several wires going into (and out of?) it.
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 15:54:02 GMT -6
Well I have no idea where the R/R is. I've seen pics of one online tho. All the wires on the left side of my pic come from the stator. One bundle of wires has a blue - white connector. One bundle produces two different all white connectors. Any idea which I test with my voltmeter to see if the stator is working? I'm trying to proceed after the battery readings I posted above. By the way the secind video on this link is whst I used as a guide... but he was using a GY6 scooter so I don't know if mine is diffdrent. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/1796/scooters-charging-system-working
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 15:13:37 GMT -6
Will do!
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 14:03:51 GMT -6
Ok thanks. I'm just trying to figure out which one I should plug my voltmeter probes into is all...
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 13:07:42 GMT -6
Sry one more thing: can one of you kind souls let me know which of these is likely my stator connection ? Taken from front of scooter looking backward Tx!!
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Post by tominbmore on Aug 10, 2014 13:00:47 GMT -6
Some more info for you:
That first reading was of the battery with the scooter off. I did a battery reading with the scooter engine on (before it died). At idle the battery read from 11.95 to 12.03.
I then revved it to about 9000 rpm and the battery jumped a bit at first but settled at aboit 12.4 DC volts.
According to the charging system test I found here (http://49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/1796/scooters-charging-system-working), the battery should stsrt at 12.5 minimum then slightly climb at idle, then when revving the engine the voltage output should reach from 13 to 14.3 DC volts.
Mine reached Jo higher tHan 12.4 or 12.5 at full tilt.
Can't tell whether this is a battery issue (ttoo low a reading) or maybe stator or rectifier. What step do you suggest in your experience?
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