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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 14:34:00 GMT -6
UPDATE: ok...so I just couldn't get a good connection on the starter when it was in the bike to test it. I have a crappy pair of jumper cables. So I pulled the starter out and tested it hooked up to the bike battery and my car battery and in both cases, it spun.
So I put it back in the bike and just tested it and the bike made 2 cranks and stopped and wouldn't crank again. So I was like ok....I need to put the hose back on and make sure everything is clamped down and try it again. It did the same one click thing again. So I checked the battery volts and it was a bit low by now so I just put it back on the charger and I have some small level of hope that it will start after it gets charged. If it doesn't, I may have to try again to test the starter in the bike.
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Post by Alleyoop on Jul 4, 2015 15:41:01 GMT -6
Ok what you want to do is Put the battery in the scoot connect everything and put the charger on it set it at 2amps. Wait about 5 minutes and LEAVE the charger connected and try to start it and see if it spins the starter. Alleyoop
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 15:51:23 GMT -6
Ok what you want to do is Put the battery in the scoot connect everything and put the charger on it set it at 2amps. Wait about 5 minutes and LEAVE the charger connected and try to start it and see if it spins the starter. Alleyoop ok I will do that. I double checked the starter and it spun like crazy once I had a good connection to it. But I think when I said it spun in the bike earlier, I believe that was just enough for it to catch its teeth but then it stopped. I will do what you suggested above. Can you tell me how many ah battery I should have on this scooter? ootscoot had suggested i need a 12ah or 14ah battery. The manual for this scooter says 10ah and it has a 10.5. I am trying to see if I am going to try to get a battery before 6 pm when the autoparts store closes. This is getting to be maddening.
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 16:12:17 GMT -6
Ok what you want to do is Put the battery in the scoot connect everything and put the charger on it set it at 2amps. Wait about 5 minutes and LEAVE the charger connected and try to start it and see if it spins the starter. Alleyoop It turned a few times but then stopped and then wouldn't do it again. The battery charger says it is charged. What does that mean? ooscoot suggested this: I had the exact same issue on one Citycom - starter worked fine on the bench, but would only give a turn or two when in the bike. Check the frame to engine ground and it appeared ok, but just to make sure, I ran another ground wire from the frame to the starter mounting bolt - bike fired right up. Somehow the engine ground was isolated to the front half of engine (bike had spark).
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Post by Alleyoop on Jul 4, 2015 16:42:19 GMT -6
By all means Check BOTH GROUNDS a wire from the motor to the frame and a wire from the NEG post of the battery to the frame than all should be good as MAJOR GROUNDS go. Alleyoop
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Post by Alleyoop on Jul 4, 2015 16:47:48 GMT -6
By all means Check BOTH GROUNDS a wire from the motor to the frame and a wire from the NEG post of the battery to the frame than all should be good as MAJOR GROUNDS go. Alleyoop
Next time also connect the MULTI METER to the battery and when you go and crank it check what the voltage drops to if it drops below 10 volts that is not good and is why it stops after only a couple of good cranks. What matters with the batteries is the CCA's(COLD CRANKING AMPS) you want to get a battery rated WELL OVER 100 CCA's close to 200 or higher would be great. The cheaper batteries the CCA's are low so you only get a couple of good cranks before it depletes the amps in the battery and you have to recharge it. Anything 7AH and up is fine like I mentioned the important thing is the rated CCA's. If close to 100 or lower than 100 that will not do the job on a motor that requires a few cranks to get it to start. Alleyoop
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 17:42:19 GMT -6
By all means Check BOTH GROUNDS a wire from the motor to the frame and a wire from the NEG post of the battery to the frame than all should be good as MAJOR GROUNDS go. Alleyoop Next time also connect the MULTI METER to the battery and when you go and crank it check what the voltage drops to if it drops below 10 volts that is not good and is why it stops after only a couple of good cranks. What matters with the batteries is the CCA's(COLD CRANKING AMPS) you want to get a battery rated WELL OVER 100 CCA's close to 200 or higher would be great. The cheaper batteries the CCA's are low so you only get a couple of good cranks before it depletes the amps in the battery and you have to recharge it. Anything 7AH and up is fine like I mentioned the important thing is the rated CCA's. If close to 100 or lower than 100 that will not do the job on a motor that requires a few cranks to get it to start. Alleyoop I'm gonna find the grounds somehow. The CCA rating on this battery is 180.
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 17:48:52 GMT -6
By all means Check BOTH GROUNDS a wire from the motor to the frame and a wire from the NEG post of the battery to the frame than all should be good as MAJOR GROUNDS go. Alleyoop Next time also connect the MULTI METER to the battery and when you go and crank it check what the voltage drops to if it drops below 10 volts that is not good and is why it stops after only a couple of good cranks. What matters with the batteries is the CCA's(COLD CRANKING AMPS) you want to get a battery rated WELL OVER 100 CCA's close to 200 or higher would be great. The cheaper batteries the CCA's are low so you only get a couple of good cranks before it depletes the amps in the battery and you have to recharge it. Anything 7AH and up is fine like I mentioned the important thing is the rated CCA's. If close to 100 or lower than 100 that will not do the job on a motor that requires a few cranks to get it to start. Alleyoop I'm gonna find the grounds somehow. The CCA rating on this battery is 180. And... Before turning key multimeter 12.2 volts or so. Turned key only about 11.2 and when hitting starter also about 11.2.
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Post by Alleyoop on Jul 4, 2015 18:26:58 GMT -6
Well that sounds good only dropping into the 11s when cranking so I say the battery side is good and 180 CCA's is great, so battery problem is out of the picture. Alleyoop
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 19:23:07 GMT -6
I guess the most important thing I have to do at this point is find the grounds. I traced the wires but they are all under sheathing. It looks like the green wire from the battery goes towards the front of the bike under in this sheathing. Then I guess I will try ootscoot's idea of directly grounding the starter mount points. I have a cable to do it but I can't see a spot to ground it.
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Post by cookees on Jul 4, 2015 19:55:33 GMT -6
I was the SYM dealer for Pittsburgh. The bike was my personal ride. Rich gave me the "poor puppydog look" so I sold it to him! We had it shipped down to him using Uship. Actually, I think I've sent down some 5 scoots for him and Sue.
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Post by Alleyoop on Jul 4, 2015 20:01:30 GMT -6
Remember the starter is mounted on the motor so all you have to do is GROUND the motor to the FRAME. So Get a piece of wire and bolt it to one of the bolts on the VALVE COVER of the motor and then to the frame. I am sure the battery and some other wires you will find bolted to the frame usually on the RIGHT side of the scoot. So look for GREEN and BLACK WIRES bolted to the frame on the right side and that is your ground spot. Alleyoop
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 20:03:18 GMT -6
I was the SYM dealer for Pittsburgh. The bike was my personal ride. Rich gave me the "poor puppydog look" so I sold it to him! We had it shipped down to him using Uship. Actually, I think I've sent down some 5 scoots for him and Sue. Great story!
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 21:37:43 GMT -6
Remember the starter is mounted on the motor so all you have to do is GROUND the motor to the FRAME. So Get a piece of wire and bolt it to one of the bolts on the VALVE COVER of the motor and then to the frame. I am sure the battery and some other wires you will find bolted to the frame usually on the RIGHT side of the scoot. So look for GREEN and BLACK WIRES bolted to the frame on the right side and that is your ground spot. Alleyoop ok...I found the grounds.....they were on the right side. There were 2 cables attached to the frame. One from the battery and one from the motor. They were already tight so I went ahead and tried ootscoots suggestion of a ground cable directly to the starter bolts. I did it from the same ground spot as where the others were connected. It didn't work. Still the same one click each time I hit the starter. I verified that I have 11.7 going to the starter terminal each time I click the start button. Argh.
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Post by cavenger on Jul 4, 2015 22:18:38 GMT -6
Question....the connection where these grounds are coming to the frame. There is a lot of grease there, is that normal? Should I clean it?
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