lubricate variator sleeve??? By bluesberl (Read 1,548 times)

[bluesberl]

I have a 150cc Diamo Retro, should the variator sleeve be lubricated, if so what do I use, if not, just run it dry?

[Alleyoop]

No, just nice and shiny and clean.
Alleyoop

[bluesberl]

once again, thanks for the help.

[bluesberl]

it started out me having to re push the starter button several times before it would crank... until the other day it just quit out-right.
with the switch on, the headlights,taillights, and brake lights work. But that's all.
If I turn on the ignition switch... lay a screwdriver across the two large terminals on the solenoid, the engine cranks and runs fine.
I have taken the starter button apart, noticed slight pitting where the contacts come together and sanded them (right move, wrong move)
Right or wrong it didn't seem to help one bit.
My scooter is my sole means of transportation and last true link to freedom. If any advice should come my way... I would be grateful forever.

[markwb]

Check the ground connection on the negative side of the start solenoid (control voltage), that would be a place to start. Also if you have a multimeter, check to see if there is 12 vdc control voltage at the start solenoid when pressing start pushbutton.

[Alleyoop]

When you squeeze the brake it sends voltage to the SOLENOID AND TO YOUR STOP LIGHTS. It SPLITS in the harness one line goes to the SOLENOID and the other to the BRAKELIGHTS.

So tape up the brake on and then go to your SOLENOID and check the GREEN and YELLOW WIRE going into the SOLENOID it should have VOLTAGE. The START BUTTON all that does is GROUND the SOLENOID CONTACT INSIDE to complete the CIRCUIT.
Alleyoop

[turboblue]

This maybe be completely wrong. But I had a similar problem. When I tried to start it sometimes it would not start no clicking at all so I thought of the solenoid. But I replaced it still problem. Then one day I pushed down on the kick starter and then it started. So it maybe the kick starting gear is off and causing problem, but might not be your problem. Hope that helps.

[bluesberl]

I've tried everyone's suggestions... To no avail. But thanks to you folks I am at least on the path to solving this problem.
Alleyoop, here's the results on the two wires, altho the colors were different
Wire#1(yellow/red)10.50v/.with..starter button depressed 0.74v
Wire#2(green/red) 10.46v/with...starter button depressed 9.10v
Reading across the two was 8.33v
Best Regards

[Bashan]

There's a boatload of information in the Library just a bit down the site. Here's a solenoid and starter tutorial that's under "electrical". Don't worry about exact voltages on your tests, that doesn't matter. If your battery is up you'll get about 12v DC, if it's down a bit you'll get around 11v DC. Here's some illustrations of what the guys were talking about.

Here's a diagram of the starter system. There's actually two circuits, the one through the brake handle and starter button. The other is the circuit for the battery to the starter. The starter button simply grounds the brake wire and pulls the current through the solenoid electromagnet:

So test the starter button with continuity on your multi:

To test the brake light circuit test like this:

When you jump the solenoid with a screwdriver this is what happens:

USE THE LIBRARY!!!!.........admin

[bluesberl]

Bashan, I sure thank you for the help, I was amazed at how easy it actually was... just by using the tutorial... it was that devil solenoid!!!
and yes I will now use the library, thanks again.

[Bashan]

Sure man, you're very welcome. I wasn't directing that little jab about using the library at you. It was meant to remind everybody that it's an often ignored resource. We have some great posts in there that have been read only a couple hundred times since we opened on March 30, 2010. I would hope all the members take a little time and peruse through the entire Library. Some of it is the standard lore of the scooter world, but much of it is original creations by the staff and the members of Scooter Doc.

So it was the solenoid? Usually when they'll crank when the solenoid is jumped, it's the solenoid. But you know that now...don't you?