11 coil stator and sliders installation. By Bashan (Read 6,354 times)

[Bashan]

It still wasn't running right when I took it out today so I decided to swap the DC CDI out for the AC that I had sitting around from a retired bike. This was quite simple as the stator from John had a red/black AC feed from a magneto coil. Everything else was plug and play. I removed the DC CDI, made a jumper with a bullet on one end and a CDI pin connector on the other end, and hooked the AC feed to the CDI. Other than that this puppy plugged right in!

One is the AC feed from the stator and two is where it plugs into the AC port on the CDI. Well it completely eliminated the surge it was having at WOT. It wasn't fuel it was electrical. It was actually a little too fast for my wife's bike but she's a fast woman and...no dear...that's not what I meant...OW! Here's the new wiring diagram.

Note the AC feed running from the stator to the two port. The trigger port is also the killport since the key kills the spark by grounding out the trigger impulse. If anybody has any questions on these things just post it on this thread, it's an open thread and I'll be glad to answer. I got rained out so I still haven't evaluated the sliders! I'm not done with this thing, John is going to send me more goodies and I'll continue to experiment! Let's get small!

[tvnacman]

Gee and I thought you were born bald . I guess I was wrong .


John

[Bashan]

Really Plaut....did you just call me bald?

[tvnacman]

and you ride with boxing gloves !!!!!!!!
your missing your helmet .

John

[Bashan]

Freaky....just freaky...... We just got back from riding our usual winding roads through the country route and usually Sue would kind of fall behind the big SYM and then I would slow up some and let her catch up. Also, we have a big mountain we have to climb and her bike would usually fall back to 25 MPH and she'd have some rude arse SUV tailgating her. But not today....let me explain a little.

She loved her original 2008 Bashan....loved it. And I have to admit it always started, always ran like a champ, and was fast as crap. I don't mean a little fast, this thing would wind until you started to think "I have to shut this thing down". The frame got damaged on her Bashan and it started acting funny in turns. I sidelined it right there....done. I bought her a Puma 150 which I thought was stellar. She always pined away for her Bashan though, so I told her I'd swap her old Bashan engine into the Puma and then she'd have the heart and soul of her original bike in a much better frame and plastic.

By the way, the Bashan had sat for a YEAR and I hooked a hot battery up to it, primed the carb, and it hit FIRST PUSH of the start button! You can believe that or not but it's true. I have no reason to lie, it's a freak engine. I didn't even clean the carb. I just thought I'd pop the starter a couple times and see what happens....it freakin' started. So I was going to tear the Bashan engine down because it had sat but instead I just swapped the engines out.

The Puma has a DC ignition so I hooked all that up to the Bashan engine. It started just fine of course but never really performed like old times. I bought an 11 coil stator from John which came with an R/R. It greatly improved the charging but it was still running kinda hinky. Then I swapped out an orange coil for the OEM coil and two things happened, it started running better AND the tach started working again! But it was still dogging at WOT so I closed off the air a little bit. I also installed John's Koso sliders and took it out for a couple of short runs. It seemed to run great and I thought I'd let Sue do the acid test.

The SYM is fast....really fast. It's fast off the line, it will keep pulling all the way to 85 and beyond. There isn't a slow acceleration curve anywhere on the power graph, it just keeps pushing. I kept looking behind me and there's Sue, right on my arse. I thought well the Bashan's doing good I'll crank it up a bit. She's still there! I wank it up a little more.....I can't lose her. She likes WOT by the way, a lot. We hit the mountain and she's with me all the way up and actually lost an SUV. We hit route 11 which is just straight and I crank up to 70, she finally falls back a little! I pull into our development and she's right behind me! She says after we shut down "boy that's like the old Bashan...it runs great!" I said "you THINK!?, you probably could have passed the SYM!" It is a freaky deeky engine, always has been, probably always will. She's all grins now, she's got her original scooter back with a new outfit. Girl's like that kind of thing and if she's grinning I'm grinning. Rich

[tvnacman]

You should have gotten the variable timing cdi yesterday and the performance variator . I'm at the edge of my seat to see your feedback .

John

[Bashan]

I'm going downstairs right now to install the Koso and the CDI. I'll post some pix and let y'all know how it does. I'm excited too! If this bike gets any faster the freakin' plastic is going to burst into flame.

[tvnacman]

If you have a timing light you will see just how nice that cdi is .

John

[Bashan]

Variator's on. I'm going to plug the CDI in and take her for a ride. I'm still using the 12.5 gram slider mix which worked great. Maybe I'll notice a difference with the Koso variator though. I'm hoping the CDI gives the bike a kick up the mountain although it will launch at the top if it gets any faster....freaky deeky.

[Bashan]

OK, I gotta get the GPS hooked up to this thing. 65 on the Chinometer before I shut the hell down. Believe me or not, I have no reason to impress anybody except my wife and she could give a crap how much I juiced up her scooter. Actually, I'm going to put lighter sliders in and slow this thing down, it is scary fast. I know a cop in Munford Al I think I may ask him to clock me.

Here's some pix of the CDI with the variator. I told John I wouldn't BS anybody about the parts but I would give them an honest evaluation. Knowing John as I do I know he wouldn't expect or want anything else. The variator was noticeably heavier than a stock variator and everything was finished off nicely. The CDI was also big and finished off beautifully. I'm kinda old school, I think if something is heavy it's probably more substantial.

Standard six connectors in a two and four config, it plugged right in. It took like 5 minutes.

How about this for a quick fix so I could go blasting down the street?! HAR!!

Let me tell you what the bike did with a Koso performance variator, the variable timing CDI, and 3 12 gram Koso sliders and 3 13 gram sliders. This is a stock freaky deeky engine with a KF carb. The carb is stock specs but KFs just seem to be smoother to me so I use them quite a bit. OK, first thing I noticed is the the silky smooth idle. I attribute that to the CDI. Next, it pulled away stronger from the line which I attribute to the variator and sliders. I recommend that if you use Koso sliders you get a Koso variator. They seem meant for each other and worked better for me. I'm not trying to sell parts for John I'm just telling you what I experienced.

Now, the freaky deeky part of the story. I get out on route 11 which is very straight but has some hills. It's a good test route and the people on it are sick of seeing this clown blast up and down the street. I weigh 225 so a scooter has to have some arse for me or forget it. I hit WOT and this thing took off like a shot. I climbed a hill and gained speed the whole way up. I hit level ground and this thing wanked up to 60 on the Chinometer in a heartbeat. Now, this is important, when the RPMs got up to 8.2K and I was at 60 MPH the tach started dropping....quickly. I've seen that before and it usually means there was a catastrophic failure. So I shut down and purred into a gas station. It idled down nice and the variator was working like a charm, very nice engagement and release. So I head back to the house and nurse it up to 8K again and here come the RPMs down. I said hell with it and hit WOT. I kept gaining speed but the RPMs came down to about 6.5K......the speedo kept climbing. Plain and simple, that was too fast for that bike and I'm going to slow it down some. It's my wife's bike and she is just oblivious to excessive speed on a bike. I call her Ms. WOT. So John, is this normal behavior for this variator? Maybe the CDI is doing this? Or is it the combo? But I gotta tell you folks both of these parts are a GREAT way to improve performance. They are definitely a kick in the pants for this bike...no doubt. Rich

[tvnacman]

Rich , the only thing left to do is a pod filter and a performance exhaust . That is if you want to go to a big bore kit . When the temperature drops plug in some heated gloves .

See Rich I'm only interested it results not hype .

As for the 11 pole conversion if your able to wire a stereo with an amp . Its at about the same skill level . If you want to slow Sue down go with heaver sliders .

John

[Bashan]

We went out on a short ride, it's just too windy today. I got the seal of approval from her. She likes the extra top speed but it's just too fast I think. She was right with me and the SYM speedo read 65, it's pretty accurate. She doesn't recognize clues like the front end getting light. It must be nice to just ride and watch the scenery as opposed to listening to every damn noise the engine makes. John, wouldn't you want lighter sliders to lower the top end? You know, it doesn't push the pulley out as much? Rich

[tvnacman]

She will wind the crap out of it .

John

[Bashan]

What's with the RPMs dropping like that when it hits 8K? Is that normal?

[Bashan]

Jul 29, 2014 14:24:36 GMT -6 tvnacman said:

I'm only interested it results not hype .

We all want to make a buck but all you want is an honest buck and that is admirable.

Jul 29, 2014 14:24:36 GMT -6 tvnacman said:

If you want to slow Sue down go with heaver sliders

Maybe I don't understand these things but here is what I've been operating on:

• Heavier rollers or sliders push the inner pulley out quicker and transition into higher ratios quicker.
• Heavier rollers or sliders may get you more top end if the pulley wasn't making it out all the way before.
• Heavier rollers or weights will hurt acceleration because you transition into higher ratios quicker.
• Heavier rollers or sliders will hurt overall performance if your engine can't handle the transition to higher ratios.
• Lighter rollers or sliders do not push out as hard and therefore the transition to higher ratios is slower.
• Lighter rollers or sliders make for better hill climbing and acceleration since they do not transition to higher ratios as quick.
• Lighter rollers or sliders may hurt the top end because they may not push the inner pulley out as far.
• Sliders are more efficient than rollers because of the machanical advantage from their wedge shape. Therefore, to achieve the same performance as the installed rollers you would go slightly LOWER in weight. Usually 1/2 to 1 gram. Otherwise the above rules apply to sliders.

So any input would be appreciated as I'm kinda new to the sliders game and I'm trying to tweak the wife's bike. I guess I can just start swapping out sliders and see happens. Rich