Checking oil. By skunkhome (Read 3,323 times)

[skunkhome]

Aug 11, 2015 16:06:37 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

HAHAHAHA, yep the light came on, this getting old sucks

Tell me about it. 

[JR]

Aug 10, 2015 16:14:07 GMT -6 skunkhome said:

Jr, that is just not correct. Why bother even having a dipstick if it does not matter how or what is read on the dipstick. You talk as if the only time you check your oil is at oil change. Contrary to what you say Every automotive manual, I have ever had, has a detailed section on checking the oil level, and tells you how much to add when it gets to the low point. Without exception every time I have changed oil and put in the prescribed amount it always fell out at or just below full on the dipstick. The dip stick is primarily for checking 1000-2000 miles down the road to insure that your not running low. If it's at the low point the manual usually perscribes that you add a measurable amount. A specified range in oil level is the same as any other measurement like valve clearance, if it's out of the range it is wrong. Running too much oil, contrary to what you say, can cause overheating and engine damage.

Go back and read my statement again, I SAID by the MANUAL add the correct amount of oil that is specified by the manual which is 0.8L of oil.

So which mark on the dipstick is 0.8L? You want to show me a scooter manual that is correct? I've go over 500 manuals in my library at my other forum with tons of them on the Chinese GY-6 engine. I can line them up with some saying the correct way to measure the oil is with the dipstick screwed in all the way, the others will say measure it with the dipstick screwed out, same engine, same dipstick, same amount of oil recommended in the engine. I OWN 5 scooters all Chinese, ALL have dipsticks with marks on them that are x's. Not one manual says a certain mark is a min/max level or how much to add at any given mark on the dipstick. So which way is correct, screwed in or screwed out? Both are "if" you know how to measure 0.8L of oil. Doesn't make a damn where it is on the stick in either position "if" it has 0.8L of oil in the engine and since I can look at the dipstick with 0.8L of oil in it I can determine myself which way I want the dipstick and go from there, it ISN'T rocket science. The 0.8L level doesn't change, AGAIN the only thing that changes is how you read the level on the dipstick?

The manual you are getting that out of is a name brand scooter with a little more detail and not a Chinese manual it's apples to oranges. I'm betting if I run the engine at 0.7L of oil it's run fine, I've got one 250 Chinese scooter with over 12k on it and it's not using a drop of oil and runs like a champ.

JR

[JR]

Aug 10, 2015 19:57:44 GMT -6 skunkhome said:

I certainly am not going to learn from someone who thinks dipsticks are a manufacturers afterthought.

lawn "motor" engines?   How many lawn mower engines have 4 valves per cylinder, turn our 1.5 hp per CID and spin up 8,250 rpm?   

Several I have a 52" water cooled Gravely with a 25HP Kawasaki engine on it and it even has a fan cooled transmission on it, damn thing will mow 12" high grass a 8mph and changed my mowing time on my 5 acre place from all day to about 4 hours. Manual say when mowing run it at full throttle which equals 9k rpm.

[skunkhome]

Listen jr, I started this thread and it was about checking your oil level not changing your oil or initial filling. Did I ever once mention the GY-6?
I think, your point is that regardless of which way you check a GY-6, if it's on the hash marks it's ok. Unfortunately there are other scooters out there that aren't powered by GY-6's and that just doesn't hold true for them.
When I stop 300 miles down the road and go to check my non-GY-6 engine oil I want to know if I should screw it in or not. Knowing that the crankcase capacity is X cc's of oil is going to be of no value, what so ever, if you are looking to top off somewhere down the road. Since I have different scooters none of which have GY-6's I didn't want to have to dig through the manual on the side of the road. That was the point of the thread. I guess I just made the mistake of talking about it on a GY-6 forum where it is impossible to over or under fill a crankcase.

[skunkhome]

Aug 11, 2015 19:36:18 GMT -6 JR said:

Aug 10, 2015 19:57:44 GMT -6 skunkhome said:

I certainly am not going to learn from someone who thinks dipsticks are a manufacturers afterthought.

lawn "motor" engines?   How many lawn mower engines have 4 valves per cylinder, turn our 1.5 hp per CID and spin up 8,250 rpm?   

Several I have a 52" water cooled Gravely with a 25HP Kawasaki engine on it and it even has a fan cooled transmission on it, damn thing will mow 12" high grass a 8mph and changed my mowing time on my 5 acre place from all day to about 4 hours. Manual say when mowing run it at full throttle which equals 9k rpm.

Which Gravely model and which 25hp Kawasaki engine is that?   9k rpm?

[JR]

Aug 11, 2015 20:04:42 GMT -6 skunkhome said:

Listen jr, I started this thread and it was about checking your oil level not changing your oil or initial filling. Did I ever once mention the GY-6?
I think, your point is that regardless of which way you check a GY-6, if it's on the hash marks it's ok. Unfortunately there are other scooters out there that aren't powered by GY-6's and that just doesn't hold true for them.
When I stop 300 miles down the road and go to check my non-GY-6 engine oil I want to know if I should screw it in or not. Knowing that the crankcase capacity is X cc's of oil is going to be of no value, what so ever, if you are looking to top off somewhere down the road. Since I have different scooters none of which have GY-6's I didn't want to have to dig through the manual on the side of the road. That was the point of the thread. I guess I just made the mistake of talking about it on a GY-6 forum where it is impossible to over or under fill a crankcase.

With any number of engines there always seems to be a different procedure for checking oil. My honda I sold you checked the oil without the dipstick screwed in as is my honda clone. An old Briggs I have checks with stick screwed in. My Piaggio is checked with the stick screwed in. What do you guys do to keep track of what's what ?

Your initial statement itself implies all engines, your statement of a different procedure indicates all engines. Your question of what do you guys think implies all possibilities, don't like the answers you get then don't ask.

I keep track of Chinese scooters and my answer was correct concerning them. If I buy a Honda I'll deal with it according to the manual and I won't have to put a sticker on the side of it to remind me of how to do it. I won't have to dig through a manual every time I do it either.

[skunkhome]

I'm glad you are so up on ALL the Chinese scooters and you mind is such a data trap. What about your Gravley with that marvelous engine. I want one, please advise model numbers of that mower and engine.

[JR]

Aug 11, 2015 22:27:49 GMT -6 skunkhome said:

I'm glad you are so up on ALL the Chinese scooters and you mind is such a data trap. What about your Gravley with that marvelous engine. I want one, please advise model numbers of that mower and engine.

Well at least I'm not having to ask how to check my oil and putting a sticker on my machine to tell me how, end of subject.