Checking oil. By skunkhome (Read 3,410 times)

[Alleyoop]

One thing to mention is just because you drain the oil DOES NOT MEAN all the oil has come out.You have some oil in the passages. What I do is turn the kill-switch on and hit the start button a couple of times and more oil gets pushed out. But it is again not a heck of a lot and would make no difference one way or the other.

Besides you really CANNOT overfill the crankcase with oil. IF you take the dipstick out and fill it to the brim of the oil fill that is about 1oz of oil and when you go to screw the dipstick in oil will squish out.

Only way to overfill a crankcase is IF you have the front of the scoot on a DOWNWARD SLOPE. Also you can do the opposite not put enough oil in IF you have the front of the scoot on a UPWARD SLOPE.
LEVEL is the word here and then you CANNOT overfill with oil or not put in enough.
Just common sense really this is not rocket science, try it take a glass and tilt it just like the fill tube is on the motor and fill it with water.
Alleyoop

[skunkhome]

Jr, that is just not correct. Why bother even having a dipstick if it does not matter how or what is read on the dipstick. You talk as if the only time you check your oil is at oil change. Contrary to what you say Every automotive manual, I have ever had, has a detailed section on checking the oil level, and tells you how much to add when it gets to the low point. Without exception every time I have changed oil and put in the prescribed amount it always fell out at or just below full on the dipstick. The dip stick is primarily for checking 1000-2000 miles down the road to insure that your not running low. If it's at the low point the manual usually perscribes that you add a measurable amount. A specified range in oil level is the same as any other measurement like valve clearance, if it's out of the range it is wrong. Running too much oil, contrary to what you say, can cause overheating and engine damage.

[cookees]

May 28, 2015 20:16:53 GMT -6 clonedrone said:

...This behavior and smart arse comments...

HEY !!!


That's MY job !!!

[skunkhome]

Aug 6, 2015 10:55:17 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

Besides you really CANNOT overfill the crankcase with oil. IF you take the dipstick out and fill it to the brim of the oil fill that is about 1oz of oil and when you go to screw the dipstick in oil will squish out.

Only way to overfill a crankcase is IF you have the front of the scoot on a DOWNWARD SLOPE. Also you can do the opposite not put enough oil in IF you have the front of the scoot on a UPWARD SLOPE.
LEVEL is the word here and then you CANNOT overfill with oil or not put in enough.
Just common sense really this is not rocket science, try it take a glass and tilt it just like the fill tube is on the motor and fill it with water.
Alleyoop

I'm sorry,  but that is totally incorrect.  You may not be able to over fill your little squirt engine but you can overfill a crankcase and do damage to an engine.  

[Alleyoop]

My little squirt engine WE ARE TALKING about overfilling the oil in our glorified LAWN MOTOR ENGINES in the scoots RIGHT? What do you think you have a V8 (HAHAHAHA). You flat out are not listening to what is being said but thats ok that is why people come to the forums to learn.
Alleyoop

[skunkhome]

I certainly am not going to learn from someone who thinks dipsticks are a manufacturers afterthought.

lawn "motor" engines?   How many lawn mower engines have 4 valves per cylinder, turn our 1.5 hp per CID and spin up 8,250 rpm?   

[Alleyoop]

See your not listening and or reading things right again, nobody said anything about a dipstick being an after thought. We are talking about the xxxxx's on the dipstick that tell you if your low or ok on the oil level and how to check.

If you screw the dipstick in the oil should cover ALL the xxxx's that indicates your full.
If you do NOT screw the dipstick in the oil should cover HALF of the xxxx's and when you then screw it in it will cover all of the xxxx's.

And on top of that that little bit of difference on the xxxx's is only about 1 oz of oil that is all we are saying.
Well maybe you do not need learning but you sure do need to read a little better and not take things out of context.
Alleyoop

[skunkhome]

"If you screw the dipstick in the oil should cover ALL the xxxx's that indicates your full.
If you do NOT screw the dipstick in the oil should cover HALF of the xxxx's and when you then screw it in it will cover all of the xxxx's. "

What I have been saying is if your scooter is designed to check without screwing in and you screw it in to check
Then you are not going to have all the oil the stick indicated. If it indicated its in the low x's it is not even going to be on the stick if you check it as it was designed to be checked.

I sorry you can't see that point.

[jerryscript]

Right now I can't help but remembering my Dad and Uncle giving me one of my first lessons on vehicle maintenance. When I asked why it was called a dipstick, they laughed and told me if you are one, don't pull one!

[Alleyoop]

I SAID GLORIFIED. now talking about 4 valves per cylinder blah blah blah you can put on a 4 valve head and carb and away you go see how easy that was and now you have a glorified lawn mower engine that will tear up your lawn.
Alleyoop

[skunkhome]

"If you screw the dipstick in the oil should cover ALL the xxxx's that indicates your full.
If you do NOT screw the dipstick in the oil should cover HALF of the xxxx's and when you then screw it in it will cover all of the xxxx's. "

Wrong again! I just went out and checked the oil in my 250 Quasar engine. Dipstick screwed in on level surface, according to manual, and it reads FULL. If I don't screw it in, the dipstick does not even touch the oil. How possibly does that fit with what you are stating above.

I read well enough to know when a statement is false.


And no, NOT even close to GLORIFIED  lawnmower engines.  

[cyborg]

Ive always gone by the manufacturers suggestion,,, and if I buy a used vehicle that has no manual,,, ( most buys were from first owner so they had it) first stop is the internet for proper proceedure and source a real live manufacturers service manual,,, haynes being second choice,,,my Stella says check with cap out resting on top of filler,,, my dr350 take out clean,, reinstall screw to bottom then remove and check,,,

[Alleyoop]

I know what is going on the dipstick on your Quaser when it registers full screwed in the oil comes up about 1/2 on the dipstick so not screwing it in the dipstick will not reach the oil because the threads are also about 1/2 in length. So your right in your motor that not screwing it in does not work.

So it all depends on the length and type of dipstick they use whether you can check the oil level without screwing it in.

Well it was a nice back and forth and good time had by all

Now on to the next debate
Alleyoop

[skunkhome]

"So it all depends on the length and type of dipstick they use whether you can check the oil level without screwing it in."

Finally, the light comes on.

My jaw drops open! 

That is why I said from the first that you can't make a blanket statement that the position of the dip stick doesn't really matter. I had at least two exceptions in my stable, my BV250 and CH80.

[Alleyoop]

HAHAHAHA, yep the light came on, this getting old sucks