automoto engine rebuild By tvnacman (Read 2,563 times)

[tvnacman]

This is what I got in the shop today.





Its got some nasty bearing noise, what was nice the man that brought it in had pulled it from the frame.

John

[Alleyoop]

WOW!! That looks like a 1P58 motor.
Alleyoop

[tvnacman]

Well I opened up the CVT and removed the head. Looks like the clutch shaft seal is leaking. Looks like the bell has been overheated. I was expecting to find a different belt too.






John

[tvnacman]

Apr 10, 2016 15:40:52 GMT -6 Alleyoop said:

WOW!! That looks like a 1P58 motor.
Alleyoop

There are more pics in my photobucket.

John

[Alleyoop]

That is a short case motor with an extended caseng for the built in differential it takes a 743 20 30 belt. The bell is getting overheated I can imagine why, its a buggy so it is heavy and the clutch is slipping a lot they way they drive the thing. If you check out the clutch pads they will be all glazed as heck. It needs a Clutch with more pad material like what I have on my Trike cause it is heavy.
Alleyoop

[tvnacman]

Alley the top end is like a 16" wheel job like my prodigy.

The bolt hole spacing is 57mm and 80mm cris cross. I will know better when I pull the clutch. It has no kick start gear.

John

[Alleyoop]

Yea that motor parts are hard to find, it has a longer chain and the cylinder 57.5mm it is different that is a 158qmj motor
Alleyoop

[crwford]

Isn't this sorta a enclose motor scooter that stopped production for a while till they pass EPA in California .

[The Jax]

Apr 12, 2016 10:39:29 GMT -6 crwford said:

Isn't this sorta a enclose motor scooter that stopped production for a while till they pass EPA in California .

Well yes and no.

Before Automoto, Xingyue had a North American presence in the US and Canada in the early 2000's.  Xingyue pulled out of the USA but stayed in Canada around 2010.  These partially enclosed scooters by Xingyue were called model xy150zk.  Automoto in California started importing Xingyues custom to their specifications, with an alarm and radio and a a different color dash board.  These Automotos also has thinner wheels and tires in the back that were chrome plated, versus Xingyue's stock wide grey rims.  This is usually how you can tell the difference between the two.  When I talk to people interested in buying one, I just ask them, "Doers it have a radio?  What color is the dash?  What does the rear wheel look like?".  Also, the model years can also give it away.

The guy in Virginia I purchased this from swore up and down it was an Automoto and I told him on the phone, "Its like an Automoto.  Its the same bike with a few minor differences.  But if your bike is a 2008, its a Xingyue xy150zk".  Sure enough, he pulls out the title when I get there and I verify the VIN on the bike and surprise, its a Xingyue.  Which was fine but I was kinda scratching my head on how he did not already know this.  It seemed genuine he felt it was an actual Automoto so I would assume the guy he bought it off of, the original owner, dupped him.

But back to your question.  Automoto messed up, got lazy, then in the end scammed everyone.  Thats the true story.

From what I understand, Automoto began importing these bikes with what they thought was the proper EPA cert for the engine installed.  One shipment 2 years into their business was intercepted in the Los Angeles Port by some customs guy who basiacally was having a bad day.  The shipment was detained and a letter was sent to Automoto.  This is where they got lazy.

Customs sent the EPA cert for the bikes to the EPA for verification and for whatever reason, the EPA felt there was a problem.  I don't know what the problem was but they wanted Automoto to recompliance the engines.  Something Xingyue would have to do as the manufacturer then give the documents to Automoto to resubmit.  However, Automoto basically just let the shipments stay detained at port while continuing to take customers deposits.  With a voided EPA certificate and people starting to complain about not getting their bikes, Automoto silently closed its doors and left all their customers without bikes or a refunds of their deposits.

Dealers liquidated and the ONLY dealer left in the USA that supports Automoto is in Savannah, Georgia and they are NOT a good dealer.  They are friendly on the phone but only have certain parts in stock and refuse to stock all the parts and apparently they only put in an order for parts twice a year.  So if you need a windshield, you have to wait until they order it then wait until they get it then wait for them to ship it.  Which could easily takes almost a year.  Plus, with my personal experience with them, I asked for a quote for an engine rebuild.  Two months later of calling every few weeks for follow up, the girl that answered the phone hung up on me when all i said was "Hi I am calling to talk to Wes to follow up on my quote: then refused to answer the phone when I called back several times.  But you check on their Facebook and Craigslist and the still post ads about selling new scooters.

So back in Automoto's heyday, I was very active on their own forums.  When these EPA issues happened, I told them, all they needed to do was contract three attorneys.  One that specializes in EPA litigation, one that specializes in US Custom law, and and one that specializes in DOT safety certifications.  I am pretty sure if the EPA got a letter from an Attorney, they would of either backed off or sent the Attorney exactly what they problem was, the Attorney could of analyzed it, then moved forward with fixing the problem.  But the owners at Automoto didn't wqant to spend any money.  They still had deposits coming in and they did not care.  I even gave them links to Attorneys that specialize in these fields.  Which, lets be honest, they should of had these types of attorneys on retainer anyway.  With this type of business, You really need to be in compliance with DOT safety regs, EPA regs, and US Customs.  With an attorney handling all of that, Automoto could of still importeds bikes and been in business.  All Customs needed to do was delay a shipment and one phone call to their attorney could of sorted it out.  Sure, attorneys are expensive but how can you afford not to have them?  Pulling a compliance certificate could put you out of business, which is what happened here.

But anyway, thats what happened to Automoto.

[tvnacman]

Here are pictured of disassembly














The clutch looks over heated that will get replaced the starter clutch spanner nut looks like someone has worked on it before me. There are marks on the starter clutch too. That is getting replaced, also the oil pump. I found seals, head, jug, piston, rings and crank shaft. Things should get ordered this and installed the following week after.

John

[bearbear]

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