Power loss By motley (Read 1,742 times)

[ucwt]

Oct 1, 2017 6:14:16 GMT -6 motley said:

I'm not going to lie, That's a really nice kit! Mainly because of the price. Is this the kit you ordered? If so what speeds are you averaging?

Also thank you for the information on Longbo, I read that somewhere, as well something about low. I figured maybe it was a low end model. But typically Vip model scooters always had better builds so dunno.

I easily have the money for it but I want to pay off some credit card debit first :/.

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I don't entirely know that much about engines, But I don't have to replace something like a cam shaft with this? Some bearing or anything inside of the engine, lol?

Once again thank you!

Yes it is the one I got and no didn't replace anything but what comes in the kit minus the valve guide seals because they are fine.

As stated though you won't get top speed increases of great deferences but you will get faster to speed with some top end increases.

I was getting 46 top before, just got 52 the other day but am still tuning and me and my scoot are both big body models so you should see better gains than I.

Do a compression test on it as recommended set the valve lash if it has good compression then order parts accordingly.

[czmdiver]

Oct 1, 2017 13:02:01 GMT -6 ucwt said:

Oct 1, 2017 6:14:16 GMT -6 motley said:

I'm not going to lie, That's a really nice kit! Mainly because of the price. Is this the kit you ordered? If so what speeds are you averaging?

Also thank you for the information on Longbo, I read that somewhere, as well something about low. I figured maybe it was a low end model. But typically Vip model scooters always had better builds so dunno.

I easily have the money for it but I want to pay off some credit card debit first :/.

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I don't entirely know that much about engines, But I don't have to replace something like a cam shaft with this? Some bearing or anything inside of the engine, lol?

Once again thank you!

Yes it is the one I got and no didn't replace anything but what comes in the kit minus the valve guide seals because they are fine.

As stated though you won't get top speed increases of great deferences but you will get faster to speed with some top end increases.

I was getting 46 top before, just got 52 the other day but am still tuning and me and my scoot are both big body models so you should see better gains than I.

Do a compression test on it as recommended set the valve lash if it has good compression then order parts accordingly.

How did the increase in HP make the rear wheel turn faster?

[motley]

Oct 1, 2017 8:54:09 GMT -6 czmdiver said:

Sept 30, 2017 19:06:44 GMT -6 motley said:

Slow down some.
First go get some Simple Green or Gunk and De-Grease the entire engine before taking anything apart.
Next go to the auto parts store and most will have tools to use for free and get a Compression tester to confirm your Motor is Clapped out.
To my knowledge you still haven't performed a Valve Lash check or adjustment, correct?
Really need to conquer simple tune up type work with success like your jetting and valve adjustments before your jumping into tearing the engine apart to install a BBK. 

If you do most likely you will end up with something that will Not run at all, many because of complete lack of experience miss the most basic of problems to overcome.
           Good luck.

Thank you for the Info, Once I get the throttle cable replaced I will try to do all of this in a timely manor.

I will attempt to take the plastic off the outside of the engine as well during cleaning. 
This should help tell me if the gaskets are blown half out 'Decade old Chinese gaskets'.

If that's real obvious I will order a gasket kit and go to town on the scooter, then save the compression test for latter after that, I will also adjust the valves once if the gasket on the block is damaged.

'Just a thought is it possible to use something like lucas oil to temporarily seal the bad areas of the gaskets?'

Is a compression tester cheap? will they typically have one I can borrow for usage in the parking lot?

I will check around, Maybe see if theres a nice cheap one I can buy from china, lol..

[Still quoting] 

[ucwt]

Oct 1, 2017 17:04:22 GMT -6 czmdiver said:

Oct 1, 2017 13:02:01 GMT -6 ucwt said:

Yes it is the one I got and no didn't replace anything but what comes in the kit minus the valve guide seals because they are fine.

As stated though you won't get top speed increases of great deferences but you will get faster to speed with some top end increases.

I was getting 46 top before, just got 52 the other day but am still tuning and me and my scoot are both big body models so you should see better gains than I.

Do a compression test on it as recommended set the valve lash if it has good compression then order parts accordingly.

How did the increase in HP make the rear wheel turn faster?

Voodoo magic.

[ucwt]

Motley where are you located?

I have a 47mm cylinder and piston I will not use.

[motley]

I am located in Virginia

[ucwt]

Pm me your address and I'll ship it to ya.
You'll need to get a crankcase and head gasket but it is yours.

I gave them to a buddy so for the cost of a gasket set you can have a 72cc kit.

[motley]

I sadly can not accept your extremely very kind offer, As it's not something I worked hard for.

While money is tough, I will eventually get around to it, Maybe even a 100cc kit.

Regards :'/

[ucwt]

Right on man I can respect that.

Was just trying to pay it forward.

Good luck on getting your scoot back on the road.

PS I could send it C.O.D so then you are paying for it...... Lol.

[czmdiver]

Oct 1, 2017 18:00:50 GMT -6 ucwt said:

Oct 1, 2017 17:04:22 GMT -6 czmdiver said:

How did the increase in HP make the rear wheel turn faster?

Voodoo magic.

Oh I see it the Voodooo that Youdooo.
So again with your gain in hp how did that make the rear wheel turn faster?

[ucwt]

Larger displacement pushed the fat to limits of final drive.

44mm just wasn't enough to to get the fat past the threshold of fat + wind resistance

[motley]

Lol, sometimes I like to get under the handle bars on these scooters. I feel stupid, but the speed difference is crazy.

At-least long enough during takeoff to get to 35 - 40.

[czmdiver]

Oct 1, 2017 17:32:59 GMT -6 motley said:

Oct 1, 2017 8:54:09 GMT -6 czmdiver said:

Slow down some.
First go get some Simple Green or Gunk and De-Grease the entire engine before taking anything apart.
Next go to the auto parts store and most will have tools to use for free and get a Compression tester to confirm your Motor is Clapped out.
To my knowledge you still haven't performed a Valve Lash check or adjustment, correct?
Really need to conquer simple tune up type work with success like your jetting and valve adjustments before your jumping into tearing the engine apart to install a BBK. 

If you do most likely you will end up with something that will Not run at all, many because of complete lack of experience miss the most basic of problems to overcome.
           Good luck.

Thank you for the Info, Once I get the throttle cable replaced I will try to do all of this in a timely manor.

I will attempt to take the plastic off the outside of the engine as well during cleaning. 
This should help tell me if the gaskets are blown half out 'Decade old Chinese gaskets'.

If that's real obvious I will order a gasket kit and go to town on the scooter, then save the compression test for latter after that, I will also adjust the valves once if the gasket on the block is damaged.

'Just a thought is it possible to use something like lucas oil to temporarily seal the bad areas of the gaskets?'

Is a compression tester cheap? will they typically have one I can borrow for usage in the parking lot?

I will check around, Maybe see if theres a nice cheap one I can buy from china, lol..

[Still quoting] 

Lets do this in proper order and one step at a time for best results.
Do the Compression test First before attempting to replace any gaskets, be crazy to take the top of the motor apart then put it back together to then check compression.
You don't want to go through all that work to find out the Motor is Clapped out in the end and you wasted your time and money.
Make sure you use the Compression gauge correctly or you will get a False reading..
Im darn near sure most Auto Part chain stores have a compression tester to use, they could range in price from $25 to more than $60. Try Harbor Freight tools, You will also need feeler gauges and a torque wrench to do anything on your Scoot.

I again advise to go slow and caution, you state you know nothing of motors and were afraid at the Valve adjustment, there No shame in that, some may just not ever have the aptitude for theses things and thats fine.
There are very good tutorials on this board and several on you tube demonstrating correct procedure.I would strongly advise to spend allot of time watching them.
And No there is no Mechanic in a can that would seal some weeping gaskets.
                      Good Luck..

[czmdiver]

Watch this guys Videos, I have worked with this guy some providing him some information.
He does a very good job with basics following correct procedure, knows his stuff when it comes to GY-6
www.youtube.com/channel/UCAgCD4f4U_rQYPrWIBktHqw

[ucwt]

Oct 2, 2017 5:23:50 GMT -6 motley said:

Lol, sometimes I like to get under the handle bars on these scooters. I feel stupid, but the speed difference is crazy.

At-least long enough during takeoff to get to 35 - 40.

I tucked before the BBK, hit a bump and bounced my face off the speedo......😄