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Post by scooter2 on Apr 4, 2015 0:02:04 GMT -6
That's just plain goofy. Turn signals are supposed to light up when switched on... .not go out. A lot of older vehicles ran bulbs that were running, turn, and stop all in one, but that was a 2 filament bulb, and I doubt you have those in your front turn signals...and if you did, the running light would stay lit, even with the signal on. Sounds to me like someone has monkeyed up the wires on the front of your scooter. I like the way the front ones work. They are only off on one side for one second at a time while turning. I'd rather be lit up all the time and blink when turning than to not be seen from the side. I put on some led strips so that's taken care of. They offer some no load flashers online and also units that make two wire bulbs work like my front ones which have three wires.
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Post by scooter2 on Apr 3, 2015 23:58:42 GMT -6
Sorry if I put this in the wrong place, JR. I figured turn signals were pretty ubiquitous on various types of scooters and my posts on the 250 forum don't seem to get many responses. JR,
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Post by scooter2 on Apr 3, 2015 16:20:26 GMT -6
I noticed on my scoot that my front turn signals are always on as running lights, and they blink off when activated, but the rear ones stay turned off, and blink on when activated.
(EDIT: The "signals" I am referring to are the actual lens units, not the filaments. The blinker filament is only on when the blinker is activated, and when the blinker is deactivated, the running light filament comes on.)
Why are the rear ones off instead of always on like the front ones? I'd like to make them work like the front ones. How do I change that? The rear ones have just two wires. A ground and a hot wire. Not sure about the front ones.
(EDIT: The front ones are three wires.)
It's a 2009 cfmoto Fashion 250 if it matters. Thanks.
(EDIT: Thanks for your solutions everyone. I now have several ways to attack this mod so I can have running lights on the sides in back.)
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Post by scooter2 on Apr 3, 2015 15:06:24 GMT -6
Well, no migraine yesterday but my allergies were hell. Here are the gauge holders I made yesterday for the oil temperature and voltmeter: I plan on mounting them to the scoot with zip ties. Today I'll try and get the bicycle speedometer mounted, the oil temp and voltmeter gauges installed, and possibly go for a ride and see what kind of oil temps I get. Do you have a 3D printer? If so, what kind is it, what kind of drawing software do you use with it, and how well does it work, glitches, other problems when making parts, etc?
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Post by scooter2 on Apr 3, 2015 14:58:50 GMT -6
how cam you can just wire up a tack like one normally would instead of making your own? or is it all just for fun? For me, it's 1/3 fun, 1/3 necessity*, and 1/3 teaching my self something new. *When I was looking for a tach for my scooter, I had searched all over the internet for a smallish tach for motorcycles, ATVs, snowmobiles, and the like that wasn't digital and would work with a 4-stroke engine with wasted spark ignition (one spark per revolution) for under $50. The only one that I could find was the chrome one that I took apart on the previous page. I had the tach that I took apart previously hooked up to my scooter, and it worked like it should (meaning when the engine was turning at 5000 rpm, the tach would show about 5000 rpm), but the response time was very poor (if I revved the engine from idle to WOT, the tachometer couldn't keep up with the change in rpms, it would be showing 3500 when the engine was turning 7000). I really wanted an analog tachometer, but this one just wasn't cutting it. I had dabbled very lightly in arduino-type stuff previously and thought that I could, with enough time, information, and headache medicine, make my own tachometer plus a small array of information displays like voltage, oil temp, and speed. So far, I've got a servo to move; reflecting a measured rpm signal (on the previous page). That was pretty easy compared to what I have been doing over the last few days - using a stepper motor instead of a servo. Over the last 5 or so days, I've got the stepper motor to sweep back and forth hitting both end stops and setting itself up at the initial starting position. That might not seem like a lot to get done in 5 days, but I do have ADD, so I can only work at programming for a couple hours at a time before my brain refuses to stay focused for more than 5 seconds. Also, I am learning the arduino coding language (which, as I understand it, is a modified C language) as I go, so I am constantly looking up how to do certain things and if other people have done similar things to what I am doing. I like the cheap digital tach/hour meters on ebay. You wrap a wire around your plug wire, stick it to the dash with some velcro and you're in business. I love arduinos. I have built some far out stuff with them, and ebay is loaded with sensors and stuff for making gobs of goodies. If I may ask, why didn't you stick with the servo? It seems like a good unit for showing tach speeds and they come in a bunch of sizes.
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Post by scooter2 on Apr 2, 2015 20:44:10 GMT -6
I need to replace the thermal switch in the front radiator on the Fashion CF Moto 250 scooter. Do I have to empty the radiator first? Are there posted instructions? Russ There is a switch in the coolant line on the engine. According to this link buggynews.com/temp-gauge-not-working-t46575.html the one on the engine drives the dash gauge and one on the radiator drives the fan. According to this image, the radiator drain is down next to the oil filler, coming out of the water pump. They say to open your radiator cap to let this drain work. Of course you could just pop off the radiator line there. The switch for the fan is likely on the bottom of the radiator, so draining the coolant would be the best way, although I suppose you could just change it fast and lose some coolant. I'm going to assume some teflon tape would be good to use but I don't know. Seems like an easy repair once the body work is off. I would like to ask you a favor. The next time you drive your Fashion scooter for about ten miles, could you feel your rear tire and rim and tell me if they are pretty hot? Mine is getting hot from the heat off of the exhaust pipe and I'm trying to figure out if that's normal for these Fashion/Helix style scooters. Thanks.
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 29, 2015 19:42:51 GMT -6
I got another carb for my Lance Duke 250. The idle mixture screw had frozen in my old one. The new carb (from China) didn't even have a brand name or model number on the body, but it works fine except that it runs lean according to the plug. I took the needle up one slot, but still not enough. Only one slot left which will be taken up today. I do like that it will start and idle cold almost immediately, unlike than the old carb. Never the less, it seems to run hotter. I checked the main jet which is the same size as the old carb, a #110. I think I'm gonna need a bigger jet. Are larger jet numbers bigger or smaller? It occurred to me that overheating problems I'm having and that I am reading about here may be due to a change in gasoline to include some ethanol, which mixture if I remember correctly, burns hotter. I think the mixture here in California is 10% ethanol, but don't quote me on that. It would also explain my idle mixture screw freezing. If ethenol is the problem there may be a run on bigger jets before this is all over. So from a #110 jet, which is a larger jet, a #108 or a #115? 115. a 115 is 1.15mm
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 28, 2015 17:20:06 GMT -6
So... I switched the mufflers and no good. Still very hot. I even put the egr from the other bike on it and still no good. I then readjusted the valves, letting them click a little and still raging heat from the manifold. The bike runs great, but I am thinking maybe a leaking exhaust valve? scooter2, cyborg, jct842, rks, richardv, Alleyoop
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 28, 2015 15:03:06 GMT -6
Great so the wheel is not binding so then I would say that muffler is throwing a lot of heat onto the rim and tire. Alleyoop You are right. I cranked up my other scoot, a 250 Commuter, and, although it does get the tire warm near the manifold, it puts out MUCH less heat than the cf250 on this Fashion. On the Commuter I can hold my hand near the manifold as long as I want, and I can actually touch the inner side of the muffler with no problem, whereas the cf250 Fashion manifold is blasting out heat and the muffler is way too hot to touch. I'm going to switch the mufflers out and see if that fixes it.
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 27, 2015 19:12:52 GMT -6
That little engine must be putting out some serious heat. Hope there's no serious damage done. Me too. I hope I don't pop the tire. That would be beyond scary. I upjetted from a 110 to a 125 and it runs fine. I'll take it for a cruise tomorrow and check the tires every few miles. If it's still hot I'll check the bearings and see about a new muffler.
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 27, 2015 14:18:01 GMT -6
What I would do is check the rear tire for binding, So put it on the center stand and with your hands spin the rear tire. If there is binding it will be hard to spin then check the brake if not then I would suspect the bearing is binding. Alleyoop When I spin it, it continues to spin. I don't know if it's really good but I'd say it's not bad either. Certainly nothing like a bicycle tire. It's a fairly new bike, an 09 with around 7k on it. I'm going to upjet it and see what happens. It was mig welded where the pipe meets the muffler, and I'm wondering if that may have something to do with heat build up as well, as it may have a little restriction on the way into the muffler, plus the baffle shakes around inside of it too.
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 27, 2015 14:11:49 GMT -6
If the pipe and or muffler are turning blueish color it is running really LEAN. Alleyoop It's steel, painted black. The part near the engine has a reddish color to it and the paint is flaked away.
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 26, 2015 21:19:07 GMT -6
I would go one step further......I think that motor may be running lean. You should be able to hold your hand an inch from the pipe. Also would think about shimming the pipe out a bit too. I can't really shim the pipe but I am also thinking it's running too lean. Other people on the net have said this is a cause of hot pipes. It's not the muffler, just the 8" or so long pipe leading to the muffler, especially the part closer to the engine. On one forum several people said they had the same condition and were not concerned about it. When I got the bike, the muffler was broken at the pipe. I don't know if they landed on something or if they tried to set the bike on the muffler, but they broke it. I had it welded. I put in a new gasket and within three months the engine got loud so I looked and the gasket was gone. That's when I checked the tire temperature and found it was hot. I bought two new ones. I put in the first one and air was leaking out so I put in the second one. It doe cyborg jct842 rks richardv sn't seem to be leaking at all now but you can really feel the heat coming off the pipe. Now, even with the wrap on the pipe, it's getting hot. You can feel the hot spots on the tire and rim after letting it idle and spinning the tire around to feel it. After a ride the whole rim and tire is hot, noticeably hotter on the exhaust side, indicating heat is being conducted from that side to the other. I will try upjetting the carb, but I'm also wondering if valve adjustment might cause heat to blast into the pipe? I'm using the external adjusters with the "listen for the clicking to stop and tighten it down" method of valve adjustment. The bike runs great other than this heat issue, although it isn't lifting the forks up on takeoff like it did the first time I rode it. I am wondering if having the pipe welded caused some restriction inside the pipe. Maybe I should break down and buy a new muffler.
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Post by scooter2 on Mar 25, 2015 21:36:32 GMT -6
I have a cfmoto Fashion 250. I was working on the exhaust and, after a ride, I noticed my back tire and rim were too hot to touch. I was really worried about it so I wrapped the exhaust with exhaust wrap material and, while that seemed to keep the tire a lot cooler, it's still so hot that I can't put my hand closer than about an inch from it when it's running, and there is only about 3/4 to 7/8" from the pipe, coming out of the engine, to the tire. Should I be worried? Anyone else notice this on their 250's? Can the tire take the heat?
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