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Post by bobf on Mar 22, 2012 16:00:13 GMT -6
I posted all that information near the top of this thread. I know what I have and was attempting to answer the original posters questions about engine style. The GY6 was just something I remembered finding on my machine. I know that I have a Honda clone by CFMoto water cooled engine.
Never heard it the original poster has found the answer he asked for. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 22, 2012 14:01:33 GMT -6
I often wondered about that GY6 on my engine. [/b][/quote] You've got a GY6 designation on your 250? I have no explanation. Is it in the serial number or what? It's definitely not a GY6 though. Yes, CF Moto and Honda struck an agreement years ago and CF took over the manufacturing of that engine. If I remember right CF even made some of the engines Honda used for various applications. Cookees knows a lot more about this whole deal than I do. I'll send him a PM and see if he can add anything. Rich[/quote] Yup. I have a GY6 on my engine. Could not remember where I saw that but went out for a look. Found it on my oil drain plug. No special designations or on paper work, but there it is for sure. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 22, 2012 7:40:37 GMT -6
Thanks for that clarification Bashan, Rich. I often wondered about that GY6 on my engine. I have a 244cc engine and as you say the GY6 was only for the lower powered engines as I was looking around for information.
It is then a Honda and CFMoto engine, not truly a Honda. I have found a Linhaie Yamaha business agreement but so far not one from Honda and CFMoto, But I have read articles of such an agreement. Any knowledge of such a business agreement?
My engine is somehow connected to Honda or there would not be Honda names, GY6, on it and the Honda dealer in town said their parts would interchange but they would not touch it for service or repairs. Strange attitude as money is money. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 21, 2012 20:40:08 GMT -6
Oh yes, I forgot to say my Honda clone is water cooled same as the Linhai engine is water cooled.
Cruiser is correct, but have you checked the engine style and Vehical Emissions Control tags for personal satisfaction? Done your homework and know what you have for sure knowledge.
Enjoy your ride. It is ridding time most every where now. At least on some days. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 21, 2012 19:30:29 GMT -6
Look at the engine itself. If it is a horizontal engine it is a Linhaie and if it is a vertical engine it is a Honda clone. I have a Honda clone with GY6 indications on it. Linhaie is 257 cc and Honda is 244 cc. Check the Vehical Emissions Control tag. Mine say Jonway Motorcycle USA and has the 244 cc on it. It has a MFG tag that says Shanghai JMStar Motocycle.
A quick look at the engines or the rated cc will help you determine the engine style. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 19, 2012 14:07:14 GMT -6
A last suggestion. Have you tried other forums? If not try this one. Lots of folks from this forum also show up over there but you might also get others that don't come here so it opens up the chances of getting some experienced help. thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/index.cgi.
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Post by bobf on Mar 19, 2012 11:04:43 GMT -6
OK, here we are with clever folks that can do a valve job at fifty miles per hour on the highway with no problems but no experts on opening locked seat when the cables are broken. ;D
This must be a pretty rare event or some would have come forward by now.
I looked under my seat and the only rubber part I found was a round piece hanging down near the front of the seat. And I don't have any new ideas. Scary with one lock broken and the other might be soon on my machine. I hope you do get help so you can help me. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 18, 2012 21:02:30 GMT -6
Bed time for me. I will look at my latch tomorrow. Those latches have some strong spring driven parts so I would be very careful about putting fingers in there. Maybe as you suggested, a wire. Or maybe a screw driver. If that rubber piece was pushing up then maybe a bit of lift on the seat, a wedge or something, while activating the latch would help.
Tomorrow for me. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 18, 2012 14:46:02 GMT -6
Where is our expert. To get the side covers off to fix the cables the seat blocks several screws. I was just crawling around my machine looking for sneaky ways to get the seat off. Could not find any obvious ones. I was thinking of doing the seat bolts from underneath. But I can not even see them from underneath. I can see your frustration. I am afraid I may be needing the guidance myself as my rear lock does not work already.
Hope that expert shows up. Also, if you find a way yourself, please post the method. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 17, 2012 19:24:36 GMT -6
I just looked at my machine. If I look up from under the left side panel I can see the two cables, lock to front latch and front latch to rear latch. Assuming that our scoot bodies are the same I think you can remove a couple of the side screws. One at the rear of the bottom panel and one behind the rider peg. Then flex the panel, and maybe find a cable end going to the side latch. Grab with vice grips and pull to open the latch.
Just a wild guess.
Hope someone more knowledgeable shows up. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 17, 2012 18:41:31 GMT -6
It might help if we knew what machine you have. So far it is just my back latch that is not working, so it is loose, but the side latch still works. I have a 2008 MC 54 250 with a 244cc upright engine. I hope someone helps you as I may one day need to know myself.
I just noticed that you have also posted for a 2007 Jonway 250cc. No mention of which engine. Not sure if 2007 and 2008 are the same. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 6, 2012 16:39:43 GMT -6
Interesting times today. I have read in places that this JCL 250A was a Honda driven machine. Then I went to the JCL USA web site and looked into things there. I pulled down the parts manual and clicked on the engine assembly and it showed a Linhai engine. So I asked for the valve adjustment film. This looked also like a Linhai engine with the intake valve on top and the other valve on the bottom. I have never adjusted valves on either engine but I thought the Honda clone could be adjusted just from the top.
Time to go back to the engine look and see just what you have.
He also showed how to remove the back plastics and when he was at the battery area I looked but could not tell from his pictures if there was a fuse box in there. The wiring drawing was just as crude as the one for my scooter too.
I sure wish these designations could be sorted out and made more constant. Several distributors seem to all buy from the same factories but with slight changes and different numbers.
Watch this film about this Honda scoot.
But is it really a Honda driven machine. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 6, 2012 14:12:16 GMT -6
This is a good clue. If it is a Linhai engine there is a lot of difference from the Honda clone. They have different parts manuals and different space configurations.
When talking JCL I have no idea if it correlates to the Roketa ways or not. So as suggested look to the engine and eliminate all the designation confusion. Roketa says the 54B is Linhai and the 54 is Honda. I have not been able to determine what the A an B stand for other than the supplier group. Roketa has 250B on their MC 54 250 line and apparently JCL has MP 250 series with an A. But which engine. Best to look at the engine. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 6, 2012 12:08:33 GMT -6
OK, I am assuming you took off the battery cover first. It is in a box about 1 1/2 inch size, left side of battery at the rear of the battery. I had to use a screwdriver to pry the cover off.
My radio will only work if the key is switched to the run position. It works with the engine running or kill switch off, engine not running. If you don't find the fuse box where I said mine is, then I am as lost as you. .
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Post by bobf on Mar 5, 2012 19:21:06 GMT -6
On my MC 54 250B you lift the seat, remove the battery cover, open the fuse box on the left side of the battery. Inside are four fuse positions and two spare fuses.
Front = light second = horn, meter, winker reply third = brake switch fourth = cooling fan
all 10 amps
Remember those are all Chinese to English descriptions. Maybe one of those is the one you need. .
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