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Post by ockid on May 15, 2016 7:37:03 GMT -6
So I Finally took the scooter out to test the limits and 51MPH!!! @ 9,100 RPMS Wow what a HUGE difference this final gear made. Around 7-8k RPM acceleration and 9k also topping out. This is amazing especially without a new 44mm stroker that gives it 5 more cc's. I think I may do without it.
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Post by ockid on May 13, 2016 8:58:58 GMT -6
I wanted to update everyone. All finished with new final gears tonight (49-17T) on my 52mm 139qmb 88cc scooter with 20& 23mm cylinder head, valves, original carb, .005 on intake & exhaust valves, upgraded exhaust, .87 main and 7g rollers and upgraded vented clutch bell. I rode it home about 4miles to end the night. Had extremely high and damaging RPM'S before, accelerating and topping out (10k @ 45mph). *Now a consistent 7k acceleration and 8k @40mph. This wknd I'll see what she can get up to!
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 21:00:54 GMT -6
My engine would seize quick if the oil pump wasn't working correctly right? Never took this side apart before. What moving parts could break this aluminum apart on that side? If the oil pumps sprocket or gear is plastic then that scares me more. These are not shots of my engine but this is of my style correct? Also curious about oil Temps should range from? I have a oil catch hooked to my dipstick port and could pull readings from it to check. I've seen oil coolers or coils/radiators that some instances people install. I just want as less stress on the motor as possible since this 39-52mm upgrade you know.. Thanks again for your time. Your answers and helped with guidance is very much appreciated.
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 20:43:36 GMT -6
You know I tried lookin up in the plug hole and noticed a channel coming from the side. Is that what your talking about? It makes sense but this channel was pretty small and these chip fairly large. What's next?
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 20:40:50 GMT -6
So now I'm more satisfied after reading all this and will be leaving the carb and jet as it is but still wish the rpms would be in a much safer range. So I'll just get heavier rollers or sliders? I bought and used sliders 4yrs ago in my old Tao Tao 50cc VIP but wasn't as impressive as the talk I heard of them. Now I'm not going to settle unless I figure out what and where these chips have came from and to make sure this isn't a current issue with any of the new or previous parts that still remains. If it's not the cylinder, rocker arms, valves, block, piston, cam, or a flange of some sort, what else could it be? A part of the crank? Crank bearings? Idk like I said I bought this used and it's a 2011 scooter with 2 owners and had 2300kms or 1,750miles aprox. Maybe it had something go wrong awhile back and these pieces are just residual from a busted piston or cylinder head. Not sure but I don't like it. I almost want to take everything back apart or at least get to the well that holds the majority of our engine oil.
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 20:26:53 GMT -6
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 20:22:29 GMT -6
The speedometer always seems off on these scooters so I used a GPS. The pieces were in the gully of the oil cap that was past or Below the oil screen/filter. That made it pretty obvious it has been there somehow before the last oil change or else how could it get past the filter since it's intact and sealed with a rubber grommet that's around the screen. There was also pieces that came out with this old oil when drained. The aluminum chips seem to have markings on them that almost looks like threads but is not, more like vertical or horizontal scratches. Very strange. I'll post a zoom in image.
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 19:37:29 GMT -6
I cannot actually confirm its a #45 I just know it's a step up from stock idle jet which I thought was an #38?? I need to pull it and check once I receive the new intake manifold. I thought I could get 50mph on a 50cc with my mods. Maybe I should stop while it's running nicely. Other then the rpms that is. I will try to post a video via YouTube tomorrow after work if it's nice. Hey thanks again and for your quick response.
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 19:33:25 GMT -6
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 19:29:41 GMT -6
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Post by ockid on May 8, 2016 18:37:21 GMT -6
I appreciate you responding and please bare with me because I can be all over the place at times. My rollers I pulled out were 4.6g(5g)which I first thought was 7g and I installed 9g. This had help bring the rpms around 1k. The jet in the original 18mm carb is a .87 now from .79 stock, not sure if that's about as big as these should take or recommended..? We have laws around where I live for scooters "49cc &under". That's why I'm tinkering with this one instead of just going up to 150cc and not having to make all these mods. The head cylinder still is one marked with a 49cc stamp. Not sure how stiff these laws are enforced. Anyways this is the dimensions of the new carb I was going to install. Inner Diameter (intake side): 25mm Outer Diameter (intake side): 32mm Inner Diameter (air filter side): 38mm Outer Diameter(air filter side): 42m
And the Intake Manifold
Bolt hole spacing 45mm Inner Diameter (carb side):33mm Inner Diameter (engine side):27mm
Ordered intake spacers I will bore to adapt if it's necessary.
Air Filter Inside Diameter 42m
So the carb is actually 25mm not 24mm.... Will this carb be too too much over kill? Should I had just went with 20mm or 23mm I guess? Also I noticed a huge possible past issue when I did it's oil change today. 2 chips were in the oil cap Below the oil screen and spring. Once I noticed that after I drained the remaining I noticed a few more that came out. I know I'm thinking oh crap! Well after inspection of the old cylinder head, valves, rocker arms, piston and it's block and cam I didn't see ANYTHING that it could have came from. This definitely happened prior to the last oil change whenever that was and had to be either from the stroker it's self or from a previous part that's been replaced already. It's aluminum and I'll try to post a few pictures here. This could be problematic if more residential pieces or shavinngs are still in there. I tried kicking the crank to see if any more oil will come out but had nothing. I'll drain the new oil again to check in a few days. I figured if somethings wrong or chipped it wouldn't run as good as it has since I replaced everything. Also my intake and exhaust valves were adjusted to .005". I read you recommend .003 & .004? Is the stroker milled aluminum or a iron casting? My rpms at idle is around 1,700 warm 1,900 cold. Still reaching 9000-9500rpms around 35-45mph. Also another question is that I still have the original style CDI which I thought sets or limits #RPM's?
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Post by ockid on May 7, 2016 23:26:38 GMT -6
Hey I'm new here but not to these 139qmb 50cc scooters. About 4 yrs ago I purchased a 52mm aluminum milled piston and block and never upgraded to the proper cylinder head and wasn't very knowledgeable back then and because got frustrated and discouraged. I hope ypu all could help answer a few questions. I had purchased a new used scooter 2 weeks ago (2011 VIP TAO TAO 4stroke) and since then has upgraded its exhaust, air filter(removed factory air box),installed oil catch, changed 39mm to 52mm bore, new 20 & 23mm cylinder head with rocker arms,A9 cam,.87 main jet, and #45 idle jet, and added aprox. 2grams from the factory rollers because I was taping 10k before it would top out and has way way too much acceleration. Seriously the throttle is extremely sensitive and have trouble staying between 5-15mph but I'm fine with that, it's exciting power! My distance daily would be 10miles 2x a day and most times I'll have to stay below 45mph. My QUESTIONS are I want to stop the RPM's from redlining. I was reading that I may only get 1-2k miles before the original stroker arm will break and want to know if I will be fine or am I stressing the stroker that bad that I will soon face other issues? Also my top end max speed is @ 45mph now. And very racy almost to the point of spinning wheels. I also want to see what it's potential top end could be with A.) New 49-17T final gear, and/or B.) 44mm stroker and are they necessary for long life and would kill two birds with one stone by giving an extra +5mph to top end and would fix my 9-10k rpm issues? Next question is that I am waiting on a new 24mm intake manifold to be able to install a new 24mm carb. I still have the new exhaust baffled with the threaded nut and am curious what your thoughts are on going this large? Also the larger carb doesn't have an accelerator pump or nozzle like the 18mm OEM has.Another reason why I only installed a .87 main rather then .91,.95 or .1 jet. I figured you can only have a certain about of air that can still go through a 18mm intake or carb so why try flooding it with more fuel...
I appreciate any tips, tricks, or suggestions and guidance on this set up. What am I doing wrong and what can I do better.
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