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Post by billg71 on Oct 29, 2016 4:04:23 GMT -6
I finally got around to installing the big fan. It's this one I think. www.amazon.com/Spal-30100393-Straight-Blade-Profile/dp/B003PB4444/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8It does cool better even though I had to wedge it in there a little cock eyed. A piece of aluminum from an aluminum flu section helped to close a gap on one side. I have not been able to make it go beyond the temp shown when it normally comes on but I've not had a really hot day to test it against yet. It does bring temp down maybe 1.5 times faster than the stock fan. Meanwhile it looks like I'm due for another head gasket. This'll be 2 in less than 7K miles. According to the plug color, it is not running lean. My oil is clean but I am getting oil in the coolant. I also have intermittent bubbles through a brimming full open coolant cap. That's a leaking head gasket I'm pretty sure, this side of a cracked head or cylinder block. It looks like oil might get into the coolant through a failed water pump shaft seal but I doubt it. Treatment with Fiber Lock didn't work forever, but it sure sealed pesky hose clamp leaks nicely. It's also slowly losing coolant although I can't smell it in the exhaust. Meanwhile I've heard the Chinese 250's have a flatter exhaust cam than the Helix to make US emission requirements the Helix didn't have to meet. When I change the head gasket I'm going to a Helix cam for a bit better exhaust breathing, assuming that's true and it fits. I'm wondering if that is why I can't keep a head gasket in this thing (Lance Duke 250). Maybe a milder exhaust cam causes over temp at WOT, all other things being equal. If anyone knows, I'd sure like to hear about it.
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Post by billg71 on Sept 16, 2016 1:57:19 GMT -6
Bob, I really appreciate the help with some fan links. It turns out I bought a Chinese made fan some time ago that is about 8" in dia. The stock fan 5.5" housing dia. I think I can wedge it between the hoses on the radiator to replace the stock fan for a test installation. It doesn't matter if it's not centered exactly. I don't know the CFM capacity but it's a bigger fan and draws more amps. I'd have it done by now except I had to take care of an oil drain plug leak. I bought a Smart-O plug made to solve the problem. I didn't have my glasses on when I installed it and didn't notice it was half a mm undersized. It stripped the threads in my case. Yes, it was the right thread pitch. I ended up having to glue the old plug in with JB Weld. I bought this pump for future oil extraction through the dipstick hole: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P9W8NLW/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Here's a video on you tube testing it: Seems to work pretty good. I have a manual pump buts its way too messy to use.
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Post by billg71 on Sept 12, 2016 19:45:25 GMT -6
Replacing the existing fan with one with greater capacity is a great idea. It's just that I can't find one that'll fit. The existing fan mounts on the front of the radiator which is the side the hoses attach, limiting the diameter of the fan. If you know of a higher capacity fan of the same diameter, I'd sure like to hear about it.
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Post by billg71 on Sept 6, 2016 17:18:46 GMT -6
mxmatt, Bashan, JR, Guitarman, cyborg I have a Lance Duke Touring 250 (244), with the same Honda Helix drive train. I responded to this thread as billg, but had to re apply as my old password no longer works. I have an infra red thermometer and know how this works. Unlike the Helix, these Chinese scoots do not have the radiator capacity of the Helix. I went through a head gasket finding that out. I went so far as to dis- assemble my radiator to rod it out. That, or any circulation problem, was not the problem. These Chinese Helix clones will get up and do 70 on the freeway, but as soon as the oil heats up, the radiator is too small to keep up and you will kill the head gasket if you do it enough. Look up a product called K&S Fiberlock, available at WalMart. It will preserve your head gasket until you can solve your radiator capacity problem. The solution is either more radiator capacity or an oil cooler, preferably more radiator capacity. Some have solved the problem with an additional radiator installed at the front of the frame, just behind the front wheel. That creates an additional problem of too much cooling capacity which they say effects gas mileage. My first attempt will be installation of an additional fan in front of the radiator to increase air through the radiator at high temps. It will be wired through a toggle switch as well as through the existing thermostat so I can choose when it runs, as these electrical systems are minimal at best. Dumping the electrical carb enricher helps. It will require moving the radiator back toward the engine a few inches to make room for the additional fan, with all the pain that entails, but better than the pain of the piping to a whole 'nother' radiator. If that doesn't work, it'll be an oil cooler which will probably require an additional fan anyway.
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