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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 30, 2018 15:57:54 GMT -6
... just replace it with a normal Banjo Bolt.. That's what I wanted to know, thanks. I have a spare banjo laying around. On a side note. I think I'll add a fuse panel from my old dirt bike. I want to run LEDs, and running the fuse straight from the battery will make life easier on that conversion. I found a electric flasher relay that will plug up to the shooter's factory relay connector. Will work nicely. But I still have to get the title done first... need to call that guy again ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 30, 2018 10:33:36 GMT -6
Get rid of the so called abs,,,it's more like plain oldie BS anyways,,, The kit I'm looking at, has it already. Would you recommend I remove it, anyways? I’d also get a NGK plug instead of the Autolite. I'll definitely keep the Autolite as a backup. Anything to ditch the China plug. I looked into the part number of NGK, wasn't it CH7HSA? Or something like that? I did look it up, but I didn't really remember it because the kit is bought came with a plug. I didn't think it would be that bad... That kit came with the plug wire(DOA), stator, and plug. ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 29, 2018 20:04:41 GMT -6
I now have full spark. Even got her to purr for a second, on starter fluid.
Long story short: I ran a wire to the positive ignition switch harness, and a ground from there as well. Got great colored spark from the old Autolite spark plug. The new Chinese plug was blue and orange colored. It works, but is garbage. I'll keep it as a backup, until I'm ready to buy a new Autolite plug.
I finally found a wiring diagram, for a 50cc motor WITH the 4 wire stator. Turns out that the Rectifier and ignition share a common wire. With the ignition getting power and ground, the rectifier worked. Sending power to the coil?? Or power to the CDI, then to the coil? I hate electrical...
Ultimately, I didn't need to buy anything, originally. Just needed a new ignition key and tumbler. I'm not worried about it, the plug boot had seem better days, spark plug works but isn't full of life like it once was.
I do have to replace the front brake reservoir. The sight glass had been broken some how, and no longer holds fluid. Figure that I might replace the ABS unit also, it's rusted tight.
New coil has a DOA secondary coil. Sending back under warranty. Few days there, week back.
Overall, $200 more would pay for the parts I need and the title.
Looking like I'm ready to chase down the titled owner, to get him to sign some paperwork for me.
Thanks for all the ideas and help guys, ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 26, 2018 20:56:58 GMT -6
I SAW SOME SPARK!!! It was intermittent, but I saw spark!! It's a brand new stator, and I didn't know that a correct gap was necessary. So I did the gap for the pick up, and made the plug gap a little tighter. And it happened. One perfectly colored spark. I was excited. I broke out my new drill mounted wire brushes, and went to town on my grounds. Things were really getting cleaned up. However, my spark remains intermittent. I might add an extra ground, just to see how it goes. As far as spark, check the brake switches, as you typically have to hold the lever to start. Possibly one or both are unhooked I have it hooked up. And I was playing with it, with my intermittent spark. But not conclusive, to say it does or doesn't work on this scooter. But it is a good idea, and I am working with it until I have definitive results. Thanks, about the 9 pin BTW. I think overall, I am now down to chasing a good ground. I don't know where to continue to next. But, I'll continue. I'll keep at it, after work. Thanks guys for giving me solid help, ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 23, 2018 19:49:32 GMT -6
Ok. I've solved the mystery part problem. That part is the headlight resistor. YAY Me!
Also found a wiring diagram, in all it clarity! That's a huge relief.
So power goes from the stator, to the CDI, then off to the coil. However, the coil shares the same ground as the rectifier.
So if the rectifier is fried and doesn't work, then it's not getting ground? Is that right? Am I confusing me again? I hate electrical.
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 23, 2018 19:26:02 GMT -6
Found my rectifier. The connector is half melted. Does power from the stator travel to the spark plug first, or the rectifier first? I still haven't found a wiring diagram. But I'll keep looking. Second, I found this other object, that is also fried. It sits right behind my headlights, but not connected directly to them. Totally needs to be replaced. But no clue what it is. ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 23, 2018 9:47:21 GMT -6
Not to hijack this thread but here goes anyway,,,this is my opinion ok,,,I get the whole hobby/tinkering thing but get that turkey repaired and send it on its way,,,and get a genuine or sym or kymco,,, I hear you dude, I really do! I genuinely wanted to get a Stella. Still do. But I don't understand these machines, from my washing machine. I feel like I'm starting from the ground up. And yes, the tinkering hobby aspect did play the major part of my buy. I want to be able to repair these things on my own. Give me a dirt bike, I can fix it. My VW has taught me a lot, and I'm still learning. I just don't want to waste my money at a repair shop, when asking for help, watching youtube, and getting a little dirty can take care of everything. I'm totally with you when it comes to fix it, then ditch it. But I have to fix it first. ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 23, 2018 7:01:39 GMT -6
Pickup coil ( Hall effect sensor) could be a dud,,,had a bunch of those been bad on the forums lately too I'll break out the multimeter, and youtube. Test it. Report back. What about the starter? I know I'll need a new one at some point. It has that 'missing a tooth' / free spin to it, before it engages. Could it cause no spark? ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 22, 2018 21:28:31 GMT -6
Just out of interest. I hooked my battery charger up to the valve cover engine ground bolt. I was able to still send current through the starter relay. So the ground is good. Still no spark. My question is this. What else could be disrupting the electrical flow? A new stator, coil, cdi, plug, and gounds. Everything should be running smoothly, right? What else is there?
Out of curiosity(because I am a dog guy), I pulled out the fly wheel. Took a wire brush to the magnet. In the hopes that the pick-up was not getting a pulse. Nothing changed.
I just don't know what I'm missing, ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 22, 2018 18:25:12 GMT -6
...as far as the no lite thing I smell a bad ground,,,is the engine grounded well? SoI have re-inspected the engine gound. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is only one? Would it be the one off my valve cover? I'm pretty sure that it is connected to the main grounding location. This is where the engine is hooked up, the battery, and a random ground running through the harness. Well, the PB Blaster did what it does. But sometimes a project requires extreme measures. So I took a dremel to the screws(for the cluster cover) and then used a standard screw driver. Turns out that all the electronics are still hooked up correctly(so it seems). So I'm going to try and find a wiring diagram for this thing. I want to know what that plug is for. Now I said 9 wires. I actually counted it to be 8, plus the clear covered wire which is tethered to one of the 8. If I had to guess, that tethered line is some kind of indicator light lead... But I don't know. Electrical really is not my strong suit. As always. Thanks in advance, for any responses! All responses are useful, ~Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 22, 2018 12:19:21 GMT -6
Good ...the back fee thing can be a royal drag (ask me how I know),,,as far as the no lite thing I smell a bad ground,,,is the engine grounded well? Yea. I've had some back registration woes, of my own. The ground was good. I also briefly took a wire brush to it. I could give it a little more elbow grease, but I feel it is good. As far as the mystery plug, if your talking about the one with the clear cover on it, it’s most likely for an accessory the the bike wasn’t equipped with. My bike has one as well. Solymar Thanks for the heads up with that one. I was referring to the plug with 9 wires. After laying in bed, playing on the phone. I think I've determined that it's the plug for the headlight harness.... I think. Broke out the PB blaster this morning, for the cluster cover screws. Should be apart when I attack it, when I get home. A single Accessory wire.... might be put to use, for my USB port.... But that's pipeline dreamin. Thanks for the responses guys, ~Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 21, 2018 19:53:19 GMT -6
Hey guys, Looking for some ideas. I just bought a new stator, coil, plug and CDI. While grounding the spark plug to the motor. Still had not spark. I switched the kill switch(very sun bleached). No spark. Tried a different ground location. No spark. Please note. I am not using a battery and key. I don't have any. I am using my battery charger, directly to the starter. And to the starter relay. What could I be missing? I found a tutorial on YouTube, about using a multimeter. I did that on the old parts. Stator failed, as did the coil. Didn't check the CDI. Electronics is the hardest subject for me... ALSO, I need help identifying a mystery plug. It is right next to the ignition key plug. But I have no more plugs dangling around. I sprayed some PB blaster on the rusted screws holding the handle bar covers together(speedo housing?). I'll see if anything was just stuffed inside there. We'll give it a go tomorrow. I'm just stumped on this spark issue, ~Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 21, 2018 15:44:46 GMT -6
Just called up on the registration. I've no problems, so long as no situations have been acquired. Just normal fees.
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 21, 2018 9:29:47 GMT -6
..... damn... didn't think about that...
I did obtain the current titled owner details. When I get home, I'll see if it shows last time it was registered.
Good call Cyborg and good looking out, ~ Junior
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Post by jrsride2002 on Mar 21, 2018 5:38:26 GMT -6
Welcome Junior.. Nice write up and pictures.. Looks like your going to have a whole lotto fun going on. Theres some very good technical info here in the library that may help you. Please keep us up to date on your build. Cheers. Thanks for the Welcome! Adding photos with Tapatalk, makes it easy. So I'll always be able to do that. And YES, lots of fun to be had for me.... most would poke this scooter with a stick, then walk away... but I like a challenge. Just learned about the Variator. What a mind trip!! I don't like the trial and error idea with the weights. But it makes sense when it boils down to personal preferences. And finding my own happy place. While I am a long way off from worrying about this sort of thing. In general, is it okay to run the RPM's to 7K?? I would think a sustained RPM like that would be damaging, down the line. Also, how big of a deal is it to swap out the 50cc for a 150cc?? This scooter is baised off the Taotao, and they have ran both sizes. So I would think that it wouldn't be a big deal. But that is about wishful thinking, of a perfect world. I still have lots to do before even going to the drawing board for that swap. So much time and so little to do. Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it. - Willy Wonka ~ Junior
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