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Post by jomama on Nov 12, 2011 17:07:36 GMT -6
I picked up the CDI unit today and as soon as it was installed, instant start and every time there after. Instead of just quitting like they usually do, this one chose to go gradually which made it so hard to isolate. Anyway all is good for now and once again thanks for all the help.
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Post by jomama on Nov 5, 2011 7:24:03 GMT -6
OK Lads, so i was about to order the CDI on the net. ( KYMCO PARTS123 .COM) This was a place in ohio and the price was $75.18 . Thats just about the going rate except when they wanted $23.99 to ship it UPS standard delivery. ( $99.17 total) I mean this thing weighs less than the average sandwhich . Insane shiping cost so just for the heck of it i called the local dealer and of course its not in stock but they called Kymco and all said and done it was $80.44 Tax included. Whoda thunk the dealer was cheaper. You really have to shop around. So when it arrives in a week and I install it i will post the results. Once again thanks for all the help .
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Post by jomama on Nov 2, 2011 17:12:30 GMT -6
Well lads I performed the checks. Power into CDI 13.0 VLTS Power to coil 0.1 ACorDC either way (should be 12vlts) Trigger wire at CDI end 0.4 ( should be 2.1 VLTS) So trigger wire and coil power wires are way belows specs. even when i checke the trigger wire back where it makes its 1st connection from the unit, its the same so no loss between there and cdi. It Looks like a bad CDI 13vlts in but0.1 out to coil and a bad pulser/trigger at only 0.4 instead of 2.1 VLTS.
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Post by jomama on Nov 2, 2011 15:15:47 GMT -6
As i explained earlier there are 2 wires that come from the stator, pink and yellow. I disconnected the plug and hooked the AC Volt meter across them and only got 14.4 vlts spinning the engine over. Everything i have seen so far indicates there sgould be 100 pls vlts. I does seem funny that its 14.4 vlts that is what the reading was across the bat terminals when the thing was run ning. Another mystery.
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Post by jomama on Nov 2, 2011 7:27:35 GMT -6
I am still at it here. How to check the voltage from the stator. I have 2 wires. Pink & Yellow. How should i hook up the tester while cranking the engine?Check each wire seperately through the meter to ground or check between each? I dont want to short anything out here.
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Post by jomama on Nov 1, 2011 14:54:36 GMT -6
Rich, The test shows ZERO volts.
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Post by jomama on Nov 1, 2011 12:17:31 GMT -6
OK Lads, I ust checked the pulser coil unit wire and it reads .4 Vlt AC. I guess its bad because the CD i have says 1.5 Max but i dont believe it even spscifies AC/DC . I am going to have my neighbor come over and see if he can figure out how to post the schematic I have from the CD. One thing i have found out is the model 125 and S125 are WAY different . In the beginning i assumed the S designation only refered to plastic body parts for styling. When you compare the schematics there is a big difference. The funny thing about the schematic for this S model never shows the 7th wire . It connects to a similar looking unit although slightly smaller than the CDI . Now I am fairly convinced the pulser coil is the culprit because of the border line reading and will search about pricing one .
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Post by jomama on Nov 1, 2011 7:01:20 GMT -6
Sprocket, when you say the pickup coil are you refering to what is called the PULSER COIL on this unit ?. It sends the pulses to the CDI so i guess it would be the same thing. Right? .
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Post by jomama on Oct 31, 2011 17:16:14 GMT -6
Back again with a humble report. I went out and rechecked the wire from the coil to cdi and end to end continuity ok there. Tried each end to ground and no beep so i must have been hearing things. The wire from the puls coil which i tested earlier for ohms and showed ok was checked for continuity to cdi and its good also. So i dont have spark or voltage at the coil . The voltage is going in to the cdi but not out to the primary side of the coil. I am remembering fondly a Harley Davidson Topper scooter i had. Soooooo simple . Give me point ign any day.
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Post by jomama on Oct 31, 2011 14:40:12 GMT -6
Possessed is the term that applies here. This afternoon after i wrote the above replly, i hooked up all connections and hit the starter and it started right up and ran fine after warm up. So i sez to meself, heres my chance to check the voltage going to the coil. While pulling back the little rubber boot on the primary terminal from the CDI, i disconnected the wire. No problem re connect and start it up again to check voltage. NO WAY. It would not start. NO SPARK . So then i put the ohm meter on beep and checked the wire from the cdi to the coil and got continuity there. Then while still connected to the coil end of the wire i grounded to the frame and also got a beep which would lead me to believe its grounding somewhere between the cdi and the coil. Now mind you this wire was not connected to either the coil ot the cdi when I made this last test just a test from the coil end to a ground . GO FIGURE . I have to recheck the schematic but i dont believe t passes through the kill switch. I may be wrong. By the way when it was running i purposely hit the kill switch and it does indeed work . When i returned it to the run position just prior to my check for voltage and disconecting the wire it restarted.
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Post by jomama on Oct 31, 2011 8:29:06 GMT -6
Here is what i tried today, Tested the puls coil and got a reading of 105.5 reading should be bet 70 & 130 so ok there. The puls coil wire goes to cdi as power in i would guess and a wire comes out to the coil. When I check the primary side of coil i get no voltage. Shold read 12vlts. After testing things and replugging everything back,, I shorted a plug to the head and had great spark. Then I put the plug wire on the plug in the engine expecting an instant start. NOTHING. Undid the plug wire and went to the plug grounded to head and NO SPARK AGAIN. The Ohms readings on the coil are well within specs. Primary and secondary w& without plug wire attached. I am thinking if the cdi is wacky, could I hook a hot wire from the bat to the coil and get my 12 vlts there an see if it starts. If it does then it tells me there is no power from the cdi to the coil. But i am concerned with burning something out . Now like i said no voltage to coil either just with the ign switch on or when its on and cranking the engine. I remember that when it was running a while back I checked the alternator output and at the bat terninals i was getting 14+ vlts so I am sure the alt is OK. I also checked the engine to frame and its Good as gold.
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Post by jomama on Oct 30, 2011 17:51:25 GMT -6
The power wire to the cdi comes from the regulator. Sooo i guess its DC . Heres another quirk in this mess, the cdi has the 6 prong (4&2) plug on it but also has a seperate single wire that connects to another unit mougetting nted along side that looks like a smaller version . I mean AC/DC or whatever the testing procedure for the stator output should be the same and I cant do it because I only have 3 wires from it and that dosent correspond with the testing procedure listed .I am truly baffled. Its getting pretty old now and after repeatedly checking every connection, checking grounds, coil, plug etc then i find I need a "special meter" for cdi testing and the stator test is a no no either and I cant check them and they arent exactly cheap. Its got to be one ot the other. Oh yeah I checked the kill switch too.
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Post by jomama on Oct 30, 2011 15:10:45 GMT -6
MY cd gives tersting process but specifies a specific brand tester because of a semiconductor in the unit so that put a halt to that. I went to the elect section and looked into testing the out from the stator but the wiring description dosent match up. My unit has only 3 wires from it. 2 attached to a plug (pink & Yello ) and a 3rd which is blue w/yel tracer which is attached to a seperate bullet type connection and with this arrangement i cannot perform the test for stator output. Another curious thing is where the 2 cdi units are explained (AC/DC) it shows the AC as having 2 plugs (#1 with either 3 or 4 wires ) and #2 as having 2 wires . The DC is described as having #1 3 or 4 wires but #2 as having 1 wire. Now mine is as described by the AC setup but the Monsterscooterparts website states Kymcos are DC . The repair CD I have dosen't even list a color code sheet or a wiring diagram which would be real nice. I am about to give up.
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Post by jomama on Oct 30, 2011 8:45:59 GMT -6
Hi lads, I am the new kid on the block here with a question. My 08 Kymco peoples S125 became increasingly inconsistant when starting. Thought it was high humidity. Put it in a heated garage and nothing changed. Spark one minute, none the next. Now there is none. I have a CD on the testing procedure for the cdi but using a quality Fluke meter I consistantly get readings that do not match up with the chart. Now the instructions state " due to a semiconductor in the circut, a sanwa or kowa tester must be used" . In addition the chart is pretty confusing. Is there anyone here that is familiar with this procedure. Thanks for any help this is driving me nuts now for weeks.
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Post by jomama on Oct 30, 2011 7:05:49 GMT -6
Hi lads, I am the new guy on the block here. I have been riding and wrenching for 40 plus yrs now and had my 1st scoot (A Bella) some 50yrs ago. Have had all motorcycles since 3 yrs ago when I got a Knmco Peoples S125 and I am into it again . This is the best site I have seen yet on scooters. At this point, these chinese acooters are somewhat of a mystery to me but I am sure I can figure them out. (never to old to learn ) .
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