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Post by gross392 on May 19, 2011 20:45:56 GMT -6
sorry fella
I could not dig thru your meaning, but appears you have problem with similarity of two.
hope this helps
a ram jet operates best at high speeds by ramming air in the hole see? and like a fan it works best at high speed, mach 3 up=
and like a cooling fan a ram jet stops working well at real high speed mach 7
an engine fan works best by ramming air in shroud see?.
I used the word sorta some where in that post.
by "Sorta" i mean it Sorta is the same, both ramming air to work.
I think ce thought with a scoop he could ram more air in shroud but forgot about fan blocking flow
I did not mean you should put gas in fan hole and light with match, to speed up engine, even ally won't do that, let alone me.
ce i have a record called --TONTO'S EXPANDING HEAD BAND Earthman, Like I said a ramjet uses fuel. Obviously I know fuel would not be injected in to the scoop. And guess what I also know that the scooter doesn't go mach 3. So lets just use common sense and make realistic assumptions. Here is a picture of an actual ramjet which utilizes many cool thermodynamic basics. Here is a picture in case you don't know here is the link if the pic didnt work en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramjet
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Post by gross392 on May 17, 2011 23:26:47 GMT -6
A ramjet? get real. a ramjet needs fuel for be ignited to the incoming air which increases the temperature between the inlet and outlet. and since PV=mRT if temperature goes up so must pressure if all other variables are the same. this pressure increase is our the back which produces thrust. Without the gas being ignited it is simply a nozzle
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Post by gross392 on May 17, 2011 14:51:13 GMT -6
Earthman that's why I said 45 mph INTO the scoop and THEN around the bend. We all know there is friction and turbulence, (also why you can't just bolt on an air filter without a "velocity stack") I just didn't feel the need to spell it all out.
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Post by gross392 on May 17, 2011 14:15:09 GMT -6
Mass flow rate is density x velocity x area which gives you an amount in mass/time unit. usually lbm/s or kg/s. Assuming that the density and velocity aren't changingby any huge amount and the area is shrinking the mass flow rate must go down as well.
The only part that is throwing off my calculation is the "ram air" that the scoop provides. It is actually catching air at roughly the velocity the scooter it travelling. However at a stand still it is hindering the fans ability to suck in air from all angles.
The ram air might help if you had air holes drilled around the fan so the excess air can be blown around the fan. The fan is already blowing as much air as it can when operating at the engines rpm. Blowing ~45mph air into a scoop and around the bend will not provide enough force to increase the fan's rpms.
The scoop is a good idea, but i think it should be directing air into a stagnant spot though. Maybe direct the air onto the bottom where the oil drain plug is, but that would require a lot of modification to the scoop.
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Post by gross392 on May 8, 2011 17:45:28 GMT -6
I'm wondering if someone can do me a favor and check their scooter's clutch? my stock belt seems like it is too thick to reach the bottom of the clutch in the back. When I pulled the clutch all the way open, like it would be at full speed, there was still about an inch or so to the main shaft of the clutch. is this normal?
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Post by gross392 on Apr 27, 2011 23:08:01 GMT -6
Yeah thats what i figured I would do. I am at college right now so i'm kind of limited on my tools right now.
I have done the variator thing before too. I found that I was about a quarter inch away from the edge of the variator when I was using the stock belt. I did some calculations and calculated that in order to get to the edge I would need to go from a 906 belt to something ~20mm longer if I remember correctly. I found a 918mm belt online somewhere and I installed it hoping it would still get to the bottom of the clutch and the edge of the variator. I again marked the variator and it is maybe a little bit closer to the edge but I figured out that the belt was not getting all the way to the shaft on the clutch. I had to go back to the 906 belt.
This motor uses something like an extra long case motor since 250s usually use 906 or 918mm belt so it's all sorts of goofy.
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Post by gross392 on Apr 27, 2011 20:50:41 GMT -6
I have seen these before which made me want to switch them in the first place but Sprocket was telling me that the 16" wheeled scoots have a different gear reduction. Maybe a double reduction or something. These 16" wheel scoots are a whole different animal haha.
My intuition would tell my that at 8k rpms my variator almost has to be pushed out as far as it can go...
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Post by gross392 on Apr 27, 2011 20:42:29 GMT -6
I also have a stock 123mm variator with a large belt. I think it's 906 mm. I will have to double check. The engine number is XY157QMJ-3 which has little to no info that I can find. I have talked to scrappy about BBKs before and he has had hardly any experience with this type of an engine...
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Post by gross392 on Apr 27, 2011 20:29:40 GMT -6
I have a Tank TR 16, also known as a Xingyue xy150t. It has 16 inch wheels and is a pretty nice scooter. I have a free flow filter on it with a little bigger jet. That is all I have done to it. The scooter has enough power to get me going ~55 (GPS) whether it be on a flat or slight incline. The only thing that limits me is the RPMs. When i get going 55 or so the rpms are approaching just over 8k on my tach. I know the tach is not that reliable but my engine sounds like it is really turning.
I have heard that the 16" wheel scooters have different gearing in the final drive behind the clutch. I have never taken off the clutch, but I am wondering if any one else has or knows the specs on these gears? Also, if there is any way to swap out gears so I can lower my RPMs a bit so I can cruise 60 without my engine screaming.
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Post by gross392 on Sept 2, 2010 10:34:17 GMT -6
Ok I tried a couple different "velocity stacks" and brought my needle up about one notch. Since my needle on this scooter isn't adjustable i just used some really really small washers haha. I used 2 to raise it... First one I tried was a radiatior hose and it had a bend in it. It was a little more naroow than i would have liked. Got it all rigged up and sounded good on the center stand and when I thought it was in the ballbark of a/f mixtuer I went to ride it and you could tell the main jet was a bit too rich. It would bog after about 20MPH, but ran great up till then. I would let off the gas and it would stay around 20 MPH and not surge ahead, telling me rich. I fiddled around and finally said screw it i'll try the other pipe. Pipe two was a rubber necking or whatever you call it. I think it's mean to connect two pvc pipes or something. I tested it's heat capacity by holding a lighter to it to see how easily it would melt, it didn't hardly give so i think it will work fine. The pipe is kind of an adapter going from about 2" to 1.5". The 1.5" matched up perfectly over the carb and made a really good seal and the 2" side went over the air filter and it was a tight squeeze. Since the adapter went over the air filter, I took the ring, used to tight the air filter usually, off and tightened the adapter to the filter. Once tightened I check inside to make sure there were no kinks or anything. I left the needle the same setting and adjust the a/f mixture till i thought it was good. My speed is back up to 62 indicated which is a touch more than I had before. I took it on about a 10 mile run and have been checking the plug and it looks a lot better now. I took some picture but can't figure out how to post them haha. Before when it was hooked up right to the carb, the base of the plug where the threads start was kind of black now it is a more brownish color. Overall it is running pretty smooth throughout all throttle positions. I will try to post these picture on a photo bucket or something... Thanks JR, so far so good. I think i'll leave good enough alone until this longer belt gets in
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Post by gross392 on Aug 31, 2010 22:16:13 GMT -6
not necessarily more, just back to normal...but more wouldn't hurt either i guess
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Post by gross392 on Aug 31, 2010 22:15:34 GMT -6
I'll run to the hardware store tomorrow and grab som radiator hosing that will fit and see if we can get more speed...
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Post by gross392 on Aug 31, 2010 20:42:33 GMT -6
I willl give it a try. Does the tube give it more air rather than just hooking it straight up to the carb? Currently it is straight on the carb...
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Post by gross392 on Aug 31, 2010 18:18:15 GMT -6
Hey guys, the new guy here from Mn, I have a Xingyue 150t and I just put a foam air filter in from scrappydogscooters and I also went with the 115 jet. I have it running real solid and the plug looks really good, but I have a question. Is there any reason my top speed would go down by a couple MPH at all? I remember being able to get to at least 60MPH in the chinomter and now it seems like i'm topping out at like 57 MHP. I'm not looking to gain a bunch of power I just did it mostly because I was going to rejet anyway and figured might as well do an air filter as well. It also sounds a lot better than the stock air filter... Thanks for your input!
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