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Post by retardninja on Jul 21, 2013 11:22:24 GMT -6
Ok wellI have taken off the valve cover and the rocker arm assembly. so basically the cam is not tied down. Just out of curiousty i put my finger on the spark plug hole and it has more compression than it did while it was assembled. I only could set the bottom valve at .003 and I had to fight to get that (it's a tight fit) I know it's supposed to be .004 but with out filing down the pin on the valve spring restrainer washer thing I can't open it any more.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 21, 2013 10:34:41 GMT -6
The rings were pre-installed so I assume they were done right, I could double check their alignments though. I don't know exactly what the wrist pin is so I can't answer that. I have followed the timing steps that I have seen on the forum here.
I'm taking it apart again to check the gap alignments and setting them perpendicular to the wrist pin.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 21, 2013 9:32:02 GMT -6
No it has not run since the install and I've triple checked everything. I've tore it down and reassembled it 3 times. The piston is running up and down just fine. If the crank was broken then the piston wouldn't move at all right?
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Post by retardninja on Jul 21, 2013 6:48:24 GMT -6
I talked to my mechanic and told him how my scooter still didn't have compression after the bbk install and he immediately told me my crank bearing needed to be replaced.
I know he is a good mechanic but has anyone ever heard of this before?
What special tools are needed?
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Post by retardninja on Jul 19, 2013 4:39:34 GMT -6
UPDATE/// Well I talked to my mechanic and he immediately told me my crank bearing needed to be replaced and that he wouldn't even mess with it because after paying him I might as well have bought a new motor for $369 and have him install it for $100. And then that was only a $100 if the wiring and carburetor would go on without a problem. So I guess I might as well order the crank bearing AND a new scooter to get around on while I screw around fixing this motor. Again. How hard is replacing the crank bearing??? Are there special tools needed? --- end update//// Okay. If you have been following my threads, you know that I have have had more than my share of problems with this install. I called TaoTaoUSA and asked them if they could tell me why my scooter would not start after installing the BBK. Their first thought was that I still didn't have any compression, which I dismissed at the time. Alfredo, the mechanic at TaoTaoUSA told me to recheck the spark by leaving the spark plug in the block and just pulling the boot and putting in a new spark plug into the boot and holding it against the valve cover. The spark was strong and so my heart sank, but I pulled the plug out of the block and did the "finger-the-hole" test ;D What I found was that the engine had NO compression at all. As a matter of fact the engine had more compression before when I still had the bad piston in it. I mean I have nothing now. Perhaps you might remember when I had first assembled the top end with the BBK and for some reason it was binding on something. I was turning the magneto by hand and and it would only go a half turn and then became obstructed by something. I took it apart and made sure that the chain was not bound up inside, then put it back together. Some how it was still bound inside and I tried the magneto by hand again. When it reached the point of resistance, I used a little more force than I should have and I heard a snap. It bothered me at the time so I took it apart again and inspected the parts, which seemed to be fine. When I reassembled the motor AGAIN, I noticed that the valve springs were dragging on the lash of the rocker arms and when they would compress in the revolution they would suddenly slip and make a horrible crack sound, but I figured it was the same thing that happens when you snap your fingers, if you follow the analogy. Anyways I was able to fix the dragging problem and also put in the correct rocker arms, and the motor no longer bound, so I forgot all about the horrible crack snap sound that I had heard. Does anyone know if there is something inside the valve inside the cylinder that may be broke? Or inside the block itself? Why would I have NO compression at all? the exhaust valve is set really tight but I can do nothing about that .0025) It seems to have a lot of compression (there is a good amount of resistance when kick starting it and turning the magneto by hand, where as before with the bad piston it had none). Any ideas at all why it doesn't have compression would be welcome, as I am going to tear it down one more time and then just buy a new scooter. Thanks.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 15, 2013 7:05:08 GMT -6
Well I got up and sprayed the starter fluid into the large opening on the back of the carb that the hose attaches to and it did not even try to start, I then sprayed it into the spark plug hole, and still nothing.
Isn't there something in the brake handle that might not let it start if it is bad? I perhaps the CDI is bad even though Ive tried 2 of them? Can an apparently really strong charge on a "bad" battery be the problem? It turns the motor no problem when charged. Is there some kind of mixture problem? Any ideas? This is really lame.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 14, 2013 21:51:23 GMT -6
Yeah I put a bolt in it and clamped it off. It does look a lot less complex without the stupid spaceship. I'll take the big black hose of the carb tomorrow and spray some in there if thats a good idea.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 14, 2013 16:49:56 GMT -6
Okay I have taken out the fuel pump which seems kinda counter intuitive, but that's done. I traded out a CDI for one that probably is good.I tried to use the electric start until the battery went dead and tried to kick start it until I got tired. It is getting gas to the carb but there isn't much in the fuel filter per se. I don't know about the air mixture or any of that but it did have a good strong blue spark that JUMPED from the plug to the valve cover. I don't know what else could be wrong. I've sprayed quick start into the air filter and that got me nowhere but I don't know if the battery was too far dead to fire it or not. I know I need to replace the battery because Auto zone tested it and it said it was bad but it still turns the starter very well when it is charged (it just dies fast and they said continual power drain was what ruined it to begin with). I. Don't. Know. What. To. Do.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 14, 2013 12:48:53 GMT -6
Okay I got the diagram posted. just wanted to make sure you saw it.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 14, 2013 12:41:00 GMT -6
Xing - my carburetor doesn't have a port on the throttle side any where. This is a pic of my old carb, but it is identical except the bowl drain hose, as the one that is on the scooter has a screw next to the black drain hose instead of a coiled springy thing with the screw at the end. Any ways I drew a diagram to fully explain wth i am doing. I guess I can't be any more exact than that, and the videos are kind of unclear and maybe even just more confusing. Thanks again
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Post by retardninja on Jul 14, 2013 7:37:48 GMT -6
Xing thank you for posting the video. After taking off all that crap at least I can see what I'm doing. As you can see, I have a cheap little fuel diaphragm that doesn't look like yours. Trying to follow the simile Water flows down hill" did not work work in this case. It made no sense at all where the lines were going and how the fuel got to the carb. Anyways I have taken a bunch mor pics and yet another videobecause I am still thouroughly confused about which ports are which, especially on the fuel pump. I've looked for a diagram but can't find one. and finally the video... Once again I appreciate all of your help. cdoublejj- at this point I would love to waste fuel lol. I just want it to finally start. This has been going on for 2 months. I still haven't got to the part where I know how to adjust the carb's air or what ever. I can't believe I haven't just said screw it and paid somebody to fix it. I've considered buying a new fuel pump just so it looks like everyone elses and I can follow along easier.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 13, 2013 8:49:31 GMT -6
I have put everything back together except the plastics. Of course when I tried to start it the battery went dead immediately, and it never started.I have made another video of how I reconnected the fuel lines. Please have a look as I would be here all day typing to exlaiin all this.
The exhaust rocker is too close to set the valve at .003, the best I could do was .005. I guess I can file it if I need to.
Also, I have no idea how to "set" my carburetor
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Post by retardninja on Jul 7, 2013 14:28:20 GMT -6
Okay this is where I was but now Iv'e moved on to the oil pump. All the roller weights are in, and the crank case is put back together.
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Post by retardninja on Jul 7, 2013 10:24:46 GMT -6
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Post by retardninja on Jul 6, 2013 8:07:29 GMT -6
How would measuring the distance of my tires valve stems help me? jk I'm pretty sure I got this handled now. But I do still have at least one more question. Is my old head still good? It looks as if it just the piston was fried. I might want to buy another scooter and fix it but I could be just lugging around junk. The old head was 64mm and the new one was 69. Thanks again for the help!
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