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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 28, 2013 13:59:09 GMT -6
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by: frmrwiseguy - Aug 28, 2013 13:49:20 GMT -6
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 28, 2013 2:10:15 GMT -6
Yoop. Off topic here but what did the bbk kit come up with as far as a squish clearance? Would imagine all these cylinders stock or bbk have different heights.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 28, 2013 2:00:05 GMT -6
Anyone? Anyone at all? somebody has to have a old pin laying around for a length measurement. Please! The specials I found I believe the raw forging with a narrower pin boss with a pin length of 1.752 52mm straight wall pin comes out to 2.05 inch, I would imagine its a boat anchor in weight.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 28, 2013 1:52:40 GMT -6
The weak link on any valve is were the Stem meets the head. I would think if it got that hot to break the stem mid way up, the temper was also taken out of the piston. I'm thinking these lame break in procedures for stock or bbk is due to Dino rings and not a final finish with a Plateau hone of 400-600 grit. A much better ring seal can be created with a good set of modern rings and the Plateau hone preferably with torque plates. then you can break it in like you stole it. btw yoop very nice carb set-up!!
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 27, 2013 13:30:05 GMT -6
Thanks. Ahhh the weak link. A lean condition will not cause the break mid stem. I will be making some Forged Titanium valves this winter. Plasma coated of course. Thanks again!!
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 27, 2013 12:49:07 GMT -6
Dug deep into my archives and resources. Top of pin bore to timing edge. .491 or 12.47mm Compression distance or Compression height=center of pin bore to timing edge of piston. .78622 or 19.97mm Valve angle 21 degrees. Made some special for a customer several years ago. 57.5mm bore with a .044 dome rise=11.1-1 compression ratio. 15mm taper wall pin weight=35.5 grams. Nice ring pckg. 1.mm or .039 top ring Alloy Steel Ferrox coated Chrome Faced, Second ring 1.2mm or .047 Cast iron Phosphate coated taper ring. Oil ring low tension 2.5mm or .098 Stainless spacer with Chrome faced rails. Thinking of making a dozen of these in 59mm bore. Piston weight would be in the 109.1 gram area. Bore out stock cast iron sleeve and replace with Forged Aluminum and have Millennium plate it. I can run a much tighter piston to cylinder clearance this way. The best place for Cast Iron is on the back yard grill Cast iron has terrible heat dissipation and Thermal expansion qualities.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 27, 2013 6:07:36 GMT -6
With the spec. requested I can match up with std or larger bore, low tension oii ring, TiN comp ring.Liight weight taper bore DLC coated wrist pin. And if I can match it up it wont cost me anything but my time. Since I will be inside this thing this winter I would like to make this upgrade. I enjoy Hot Roding everthing. My 1976 Hot rod Cub Cade on Alky. Restored Eric Sorby Factory KX250 56 rwhp. 91 385 ci sbc Silverado. pushing 500hp. 12.62 @ 107.92 mph first time out. 2012 CBR1000RR 156rwhp. Just a Tim Allen type a guy.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 27, 2013 5:58:06 GMT -6
Do they bust the valve head off or blow the keepers out of the retainer?
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 26, 2013 18:57:51 GMT -6
ok I'll jus pony up and buy a OE piston and measure it myself. I'm trying to match it up with a Strutted high end light weight Forging already in production thus is why i need this measurement. My goal is reliability and performance.
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Cam specs.
by: frmrwiseguy - Aug 26, 2013 16:54:06 GMT -6
Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 26, 2013 16:54:06 GMT -6
Anyone have cam specs for some of these aftermarket Hot Rod cams? I'm looking for specs. on lift,duration and lobe separation. all I have found has been. this or that cam makes better mid to low end or mid to high end. Thanks in advance.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 26, 2013 16:50:57 GMT -6
On a two stroke the leading or timing edge controls the opening and closing of the ports. In a four stroke it just the flat outer edge of the piston. With the wrist pin divided by two i get the Compression distance or Compression height. I am trying to match this up with some high end light weight forgings already on the market without have to have customs made. Trying to find strutted forging with short pin boss for a stronger light weight package. I have found Dazon had some customs built several years ago, but they are all gone. the forging and prints are available to make more. May solicit a group buy if enough are interested.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 26, 2013 15:26:08 GMT -6
You do not measure to the top of the dome. Think in terms of a two stroke. This would be to the timing edge. A crank with a longer rod only effects the Rod to Stroke ratio not the displacement. This would also mandate a change in wrist pin location. Longer rod= shorter piston, Short rod=long/tall piston. A longer rod in a engine straitens out harsh rod angles, Longer piston dwell time at TDC and BDC, easier on cylinder walls, Piston skirts. Helps keep the rings more square to the bore once the piston changes direction. For instance a SBC with 3.480 stroke and stock 5.7 rod has a stock pin height of 1.550 with a 9.025 deck height A SBC with a 3.480 stroke with a 6.125 rod has a 1.125 pin height. No change in displacement. Can someone measure me a piston Please Thanks in advance.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 26, 2013 13:53:52 GMT -6
If anyone has a old or new 150cc Piston laying around can you please measure the Pin Height/Compression distance? This is measured from the top of the pin bore to the leading or top edge of the piston. I can come up with the accurate measurement by dividing the pin bore by 2 and adding half of that. 15mm pin in this case. 7.5mm or .591 inch. mm or inch is fine.
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Post by frmrwiseguy on Aug 26, 2013 13:47:38 GMT -6
If anyone has a used or new 150cc pin laying around can you please measeure the lenght? MM or Inch is fine
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