85 ch 150 elite By jelite (Read 2,475 times)

[jelite]

Hello fellow scooter junkys I just purchased an old elite a couple days ago and thought I would put my two sence in there and see if you folks think I am going in the right direction.

I bought a scooter cheap and thought it would be a great project and scooter some day. Well about scooter the baterie is getting a slow charge now fast charge wasn't enough to get it running. The scooter starts up but once you give it throttle it stalls. The gas tank smells like paint thiner so I took it of and drained it.

Basically I was thinking about putting new gas in it and trying but thinking the carb might need cleaned. Anyone with elite experience or think I am going the right derection or point me in the right direction would be apriciated.

I have not been on this sight for a long time and is shocked about bashan.

[cyborg]

my course of action would be ,,,drain the gas which you already did,,carb off and go thru it real good make sure all the jets are super clean,,,2 ounces of seafoam in the tank with a fresh full tank,,check all the hoses and vacuum lines ,,check spark plug,,tires,,,new battery,,,,thats a start anyways

[jelite]

I am going to mess with it a little today I will start with those things. Got to get carb of some new fuel lines broke one yesterday. I hope I can get this scooter going it looks weird but very well built it is even liquid cooled. Thanks cyborg I will be getting more into it today.

[cyborg]

yeah they do look strange,,,so ugly theyre cute,,,kinda like me,,,,

[richardv]

So ugly they're cute. I would like to see a pic of that.

The scooter that is.

[Alleyoop]

www.motorscooterguide.net/Honda/Elite150/Elite150.html

[jelite]

Scooter junky update


Clean out tank pretty good went threw carb pretty good and cleaned jets and stuff. Put a new fuel line on.

problems intake boot cracked real bad put some sealer on it for now, It will not start now, I am thinking it is not getting gas.

Question when gas tank is off will the petcock on the bottom of tank leak gas? I am thinking it is gravity fead to the carb. Also there is only a throttle adjustment screw and another screw close to the bottom of carb before the bowl it was one and a half turns out from closed position. Also the carb has a in and out of radiator fluid hooked on the side? Also when you twist the throttle the slide in the carb does nothing just sits there when you push it up it makes a noise. The slide is nothing at all like a dirt bike carb where the throttle cable hooks up to the slide and the top screws on.

Well kinda stumpt at the moment.

Calling all scooter junkies for there to sence if any.

[Alleyoop]

The carb that is on there is like the ones they put on the 250ccs scoots. Here is the Service Manual, the FUEL RATIO MIXTURE screw is most likely plugged and you will need to drill the plug out to get at the adjustment ratio screw.

The Screw your talking about on the bottom is probably the Carb Drain Screw. If on the other hand it is Next to the INTAKE right above the Carb Bowl then that is your Fuel Ratio Mixture for the PILOT JET.

Here is the Service Manual for it. It shows the carb as being similiar to this one:

www.motorscooterguide.net/Manuals/Honda_CH150_Service_Manual.pdf

Alleyoop

Carb is similiar to this one except the FUEL RATIO SCREW IS ON THE SIDE NOT UNDERNEATH THE INTAKE

[jelite]

Scooter junky update


Well just tried to start it again with my paper towl air filter make shift air cleaner. I took that out it started up was hard at first but once running after a minit or two it ran fine and would take throttle after taking out paper towl.

I tried taking it up the street once the wheels were on the ground and gave it gas it was super shaky like it wanted to stall. It would like pull stall out pull stall out and was jerky jerky.

There is a cluncking ratling like sound coming from the cvt I am thinking it might have the wrong belt or something put together wrong? The guy I bought it from said he put a new belt into it. I am thinking mabey the belt is too big?

I will be looking at it again tomarrow.

That is all the progess for the day things are looking up and the old elite might have a fighting chance after some kemo.

Scooter riders beware in Pittsburgh the old elite might get another day to roll soon. People are going to see that old girl and get scared and pull there scooters in the garage.

Thanks for alls help so far I will keep you posted.

[jelite]

Help kinda stumped? well the elite runs good on center stand runs kinda rough at first the engine shakes a good bit. But once warmed up it runs good on center stand give it throttle it is responsive and runs good. I do not have the air filter hooked up because trying to figure out the problem.

Here is the problem once scooter is of the center stand and on pavement and you give it gas it is real shaky it like bogs out and wont but does not stall it seams like the power is not going to the pavement like something in the cvt is wrong it is making a clunking sound?

I got the cvt cover of and there is a new belt on there and it is very tight would that be a problem? I would think that wouldn't affect the noise it is making in the cvt but I do not no?

I do not know how to check the diff fluid on this modle if there was to much fluid or no fluid could that be something it could be?

If anyone knows the belt number for this scooter please tell me.

Also the engine shakes in there about a quarter inch is that normal?

When I picked this scooter up last week the guy I bought it from said it had an ebay engine put in it after the original engine went.

So all and all theres been a couple of monkeys working on bike.

If anyone has any thoughts or ran into any of these problems in the past let me no your insight.

Thanks.

[Alleyoop]

1. Check the motor mounts since a motor was put in they may not have tighten the motor mount bolts down good enough. Or the motor mount bushings are shot and there is to much play.

2. Take a pic of the CVT with the cover off. ALSO when it is IDLING is the rear wheel spinning? IT SHOULD NOT SPIN while idling it should start to spin around 2000+ rpms.

Well without the Air Filter I can see it bogging when giving it throttle, to much air not enough fuel. You have to put some kind of air filter on the carb otherwise you will never get it to run good and smooth as possible.

3. Please take some pictures of the CARB left side and right side so I can see what type of carb is on there.

The clunking in the cvt could be a broken clutch arm. Also with the CVT cover off give it throttle and see how the variator and clutch and belt are working.

Alleyoop

[jelite]

Thanks ally I am not sure about doing pictures I do not own a cell phone and do not know how to load them on computer. Probley most people would be surprised by that because children I have heard no how to do something so simple.
Alley how would I know if motor mounts are destroyed try shaking the engine by hand when not running like a wheel bearing?

The wheel spins without the filter for about 1 minit until it warms up. Then it ideals fairly good stutters a little but doesn't stall.

The cvt is off and it does not spin untill you give it gas I think I will look at it again the cluth should pull away from the scooter when you give it throttle and when you let of should go toward wheel right?

Also you can give it gas when it is on the center stand and the wheel speeds up depending open how much throttle you give it.

But the problem ocures when scooter is on pavement it is like it does not like the preasure and the weight of moving the scooter it is like jerky jerky and bogs and will not go up in rpms it is a little better at less throttle but I really would not go much past the driway due to I do not want to break it from stupidity and knowing it aint right you know.

I own a digital camera I need to learn how to post picture online though I will make some effort tomarow and try to learn how to post pictures.

As for the picture of the carb I am not sure if it is the same all I know is there is a throttle adjust screw a screw on the bottom of the carb on the part above the bowl part. so air fuel screw?

Also it has an inlet and out let that hooks to the top of the carb to the pet cock. Also another weird thing I don't get and would like to know why they did this to the carb I don't understand at all is there is like a metal l with a a screw holding it on to the carb rad fluid > That I would like to know why the japs did that? Also when you take the top of it has like a bladder for the slide in the carb I thought that that was always hooked up to the throttle cable and went up and down when you twist the throttle?

Also does a pet cock gravity feed to carb? Why I ask when the tank is off and there is fluid in it it all stays in it doesn't come out of the pet cock.

[Alleyoop]

QUESTION:

Alley how would I know if motor mounts are destroyed try shaking the engine by hand when not running like a wheel bearing?

ANSWER: YES

Looking at the CARB LEFT SIDE(OPPOSITE THE THROTTLE CABLE which is the RIGHT SIDE)
WHERE IS THE SCREW AT:
1. LEFT OF CENTER RIGHT BELOW THE INTAKE WHERE IT CLAMPS ONTO THE MOTOR?
2. RIGHT OF CENTER WHERE THE AIR FILTER WOULD BE?

Knowing that will tell me if the carb has a FUEL RATIO MIXTURE SCREW or an AIR RATIO MIXTURE SCREW.

Also the PETCOCK works by VACUUM it sounds like your petcock is screwed onto the outlet of the fuel tank(IS THAT RIGHT)?
Fuel will not come out because the PETCOCK NEEDS VACUUM to open the DIAGHRAM INSIDE to allow fuel to flow out.
Alleyoop

[jvino]

Alley

The screw is for carb is left center on the other side of throttle close to intake and right beside where antifreeze goes into the engine.

In earlier post about cvt the belt always spins and the clutch bell does not rotate until you give it throttle it get clanky noise when you give it throttle.

I am very impressed so far with how this scooter is built it is a tank for scooters I have looked at.

The olny things I do not like about it are the drum brakes and no kick starter.

I will have a little time tomarrow to mess with it.

Thanks again.

[Alleyoop]

Ok, the carb is just like the picture I put up EXCEPT for one exception the FUEL RATIO SCREW is on the side NOT like the one the picture where the FUEL RATIO mixuture is UNDERNEATH the INTAKE OF THE CARB(which by the way are a PAIN IN THE arse TO GET AT--HAHA). So yours is on the side which are very easy to get at and adjust.

So now that I know the carb you can try and adjust it for a smoother running motor.
Here read this thread and or print it out and follow the step by step procedure. Here you will see your carb EXCEPT for where the FUEL RATIO MIXTURE SCREW IS AT.
Alleyoop

scooterdoc.proboards.com/thread/1499/4ts-carb-tuning