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Post by mxmatt on Feb 21, 2014 11:52:52 GMT -6
Dammit if I didn't already know this. So I was just checking the oil level on my scoot. The first reading was half way down the grid on the dip stick. Yes, I measured it without screwing it in. I added enough oil to bring it up to the top of the grid. Here is where I would normally wipe the stick clean and reinstall with a firm but not overtightened last twist. But for grins and giggles I started it up and let it idle for a minute and rechecked the oil level. Wouldn't you know it? I'm back to half way down the stick again. (rinse, lather, repeat) I did this two more times and ended up adding 8oz of additional oil all said and done. Here is the pisser. I never did this with my scoot before I blew my rod bearing. I always changed the oil and used quality oil, but apparently I was always starting about 8oz short. I'm assuming that these little motors burn a bit of oil. My rod bearing blew close to when I was going to change the oil next. It had been about 400 miles. If I was running it hard and started with less oil than I should have, then I think I figured out why I blew that rod bearing. Ahhhhh! Live and learn. Happy Scooting.
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Post by Bashan on Feb 21, 2014 19:30:53 GMT -6
What!!?? You didn't screw it in!!?? Kidding, that's the correct way.....not screwing it in......the dipstick. There's a joke here somewhere but I'm too tired to find it. Do you all know about the drain on the left side of the engine? 17mm plug, pull it as well as the screen drain. Then .9 L 10W/40 or 10W/30 dino oil back in on the above styled 150 bike. Run it for a ride, put it on the center stand and check it the NEXT DAY. You didn't trash your rod with a slightly low oil level. The oil pick up is really low so it's getting oil supply. Really low oil has the effect of asking fewer oil molecules to do more work. It is still getting lubricant so I don't think you trashed your engine. It was just it's time.
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Post by mxmatt on Feb 21, 2014 19:44:05 GMT -6
What!!?? You didn't screw it in!!?? Kidding, that's the correct way.....not screwing it in......the dipstick. There's a joke here somewhere but I'm too tired to find it. Do you all know about the drain on the left side of the engine? 17mm plug, pull it as well as the screen drain. Then .9 L 10W/40 or 10W/30 dino oil back in on the above styled 150 bike. Run it for a ride, put it on the center stand and check it the NEXT DAY. You didn't trash your rod with a slightly low oil level. The oil pick up is really low so it's getting oil supply. Really low oil has the effect of asking fewer oil molecules to do more work. It is still getting lubricant so I don't think you trashed your engine. It was just it's time. The GOD's have spoken. Note: I didn't trash my engine.
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Post by mxmatt on Feb 25, 2014 13:29:10 GMT -6
What happens when you run a little too much oil in the case?
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Post by Alleyoop on Feb 25, 2014 13:57:10 GMT -6
HAHAHAHA, yes when checking the oil level, you do not screw it in and just stick it in and it should register HALFWAY UP the XXXXXXXXs then if you screw it in it will cover ALL THE XXXXXXXs(FULL).
Now if you overfill it which is pretty hard to do as you notice the part you screw in is what half inch in length. So that is about maybe 1 oz more of oil. But if the crankcase for some reason builds up to much pressure it will blow some oil out the VALVE COVER PCV valve and into the hose. Alleyoop
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 22:25:13 GMT -6
HAHAHAHA, yes when checking the oil level, you do not screw it in and just stick it in and it should register HALFWAY UP the XXXXXXXXs then if you screw it in it will cover ALL THE XXXXXXXs(FULL). Alleyoop this goes for 50cc's too? i thought halfway on the xxxxxxs was ok?
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Post by Alleyoop on Apr 8, 2014 22:40:39 GMT -6
That is what I said HALFWAY UP WITHOUT SCREWING IT IN. Now you must have it on level ground if its tilting toward the front you will overfill it, if tilting toward the rear you will be short. Alleyoop
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 22:56:31 GMT -6
yup i keep it between half and full without screwing it in. i keep the scoot in the basement and thats where i check it. floors level.
-when i change oil i fill it to the top of the xxxx without screwing it in. until recently when i fixed that leak, i had to add some once in awhile.
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Post by cyborg on Apr 9, 2014 7:46:09 GMT -6
Again alley speaks the truth here,,,and the key is,,,,",level ground",,,,even a minor "tilt" will throw off the measurement by a bunch
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Post by mxmatt on Apr 9, 2014 10:53:29 GMT -6
That is what I said HALFWAY UP WITHOUT SCREWING IT IN. Now you must have it on level ground if its tilting toward the front you will overfill it, if tilting toward the rear you will be short. Alleyoop When you are referring to tilting, are you speaking of the the center stand being the axis? Does the scooter need to be on both tires on level ground to check the oil level?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 11:06:32 GMT -6
That is what I said HALFWAY UP WITHOUT SCREWING IT IN. Now you must have it on level ground if its tilting toward the front you will overfill it, if tilting toward the rear you will be short. Alleyoop When you are referring to tilting, are you speaking of the the center stand being the axis? Does the scooter need to be on both tires on level ground to check the oil level? i take it as center stand with front wheel touching the ground. thats the way i do it at least.
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Post by mxmatt on Apr 10, 2014 10:11:13 GMT -6
When you are referring to tilting, are you speaking of the the center stand being the axis? Does the scooter need to be on both tires on level ground to check the oil level? i take it as center stand with front wheel touching the ground. thats the way i do it at least. I check the oil this way as well. I just thought Alley was giving us better information. Alley? Clarification please?
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Post by Alleyoop on Apr 10, 2014 16:25:08 GMT -6
On center stand which lifts the rear wheel off the ground and the front wheel is on the ground. Alleyoop
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Post by mxmatt on Apr 10, 2014 17:26:01 GMT -6
On center stand which lifts the rear wheel off the ground and the front wheel is on the ground. Alleyoop Gracias Señor!
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Post by Bashan on Apr 10, 2014 22:19:50 GMT -6
The great Alley Oracle has spoken. Now my humble self has something to add. What? You want more? OK OK....I've thought a lot about this...mainly because the voices in my head compel me. The dipstick is at an angle. That translates into a lot of movement up and down the stick with a minor amount of vertical movement of oil. Attend plebes!:
See? As the oil is measured on the stick the red arrow on the right shows relatively small amount of movement but the arrow on the "grid" shows a lot of movement. Here's my point, don't freak out if you check your oil and it's down on the stick. It's not that low. Sure...top it off, but you didn't burn your motor up. Well you did Matt but you're a wanker. But everybody else is fine. "I keed...I keeed." 25 Doc Bucks to whoever IDs the previous quote. Yes, the GY6 runs hot, so the tolerances are kinda loose...ergo...it uses a little oil...keep it checked. But if you check it one day and it's down on the stick, don't freak, it's really not that low. OK...c'mon...let me hear it...I'm wrong. Remember...I'm the guy that took a 150 completely apart and traced the oil path. We even explored blocking off the oil pathway on the front of the engine to use a cooler. I know from whence I speak. OK...off to the scrabble game. I'm coming JR...I'm coming!
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