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[Deleted]

anyone? Alley? Bashan?

[tvnacman]

Hang on I have to reread the entire post . What did you get for stator output with the readings direct from the stator unplugged from the hsrness ?

John

[Deleted]

nothings wrong with it now. just looking for an extra to have on hand.

[Alleyoop]

-----FINS TO THE TOP-----

Top left-------------Top right
--RED---------------YELLOW--

Bottom left---------Bottom right
--WHITE--------------GREEN—
Red is regulated power and there should be a fuse just before the battery to protect everything from a current reversal (short) . Yellow is positive power in from the stator used for lights and accessories and white is also positive power in from the stator . Green is Earth .
Alleyoop

[Deleted]

thanks Alley.

[scatterbrained]

Correct me if I'm wrong guys but as I know it, if you do not have continuity between the ground pin and the body of the R/R that means the it is a floating ground type and that is what you need. Now that will tell you what type of stator that you have. One thing that I know is that there are at least 5 diff. types of 8 pole stator that I know of maybe more. I ran into a hell of a mess a while back and I learned a lot about stators. There is what is refered to as a center tapped or half wave stator where the 7 AC coils are split 3 and 4 and where they are split they are grounded to the body of the stator. This type requires a R/R that is grounded through the green wire to the body of the R/R to the frame. Then you have a floating ground or full wave type where the charging coils are not split and not grounded to the body of the stator. This one requires a R/R that the green wire is not grounded th the body of the R/R ie. floating ground. I hope this wasn't to much info and agian guys correct me if I am wrong.

[Deleted]

thats what i was thinking is that i need a floating ground regulator. do you think that one i posted from scrappydog should work? any other input guys?

[scatterbrained]

It should work fine. I would ask them if it's a floating ground type or not. They should know.

[JR]

Sorry there are no full wave stators out on the market for scooters currently. I think there is some confusion on this. Full wave stators are DC orientated and not AC. To prove this check the voltage output of your stator now. Yes there are body grounded and floating ground stators but floating ground still = AC output. While they may be somewhat aligned to be a full wave type stator they are not used that way on a scooter. Rich has a full wave conversion here on the forum to demonstrate.

A floating ground R/R is not DC even though you do get DC charging voltage from it. . One can make the system DC but you need a full wave DC R/R and another way to know that your stator and R/R is AC is to trace where the headlight system ties in and you'll quickly find AC. A full wave DC system has all light functions running off of the battery and DC.

Making a big to do over the bolting it up to the frame, non floating ground R/R bolt to frame for grounding, floating ground R/R bolt to frame, it's grounded internally so what harm is going to happen to a R/R that is not grounded to the outside body of the R/R?


Floating voltage is a voltage that is not connected by any conducting path (including resistors) to ground or the key voltage reference point floating means no reference to anything.

A system where the system ground is not actually connected to another circuit or to earth (though there is still a AC coupling) is a floating ground.

An AC R/R that is grounded, has a hot and a neutral lead, The neutral lead no longer has AC as you think of it, and the hot lead is the powered wire. Without the ground it is a differential signal, 180 degrees out of phase.


A AC type R/R is single-ended which means that one of the two connectors of the input is connected to a ground which you cannot alter.

Floating simply means that the regulator's ground pin is not at the same voltage as the load current. There are disadvantages to a floating ground R/R, they burn out more easily. Since it is fooled into working above the true ground of the circuit, should you put more load on it than the input going in you have no short circuit protection except the fuse and they burn up more easily. Should you have a direct short before the fuse or it fails then the R/R is toast.


JR

[scatterbrained]

Thanks for clearing that up JR. A lot of good info!

[Deleted]

thanks guys. ill store that stuff away for when i need one.

[Alleyoop]

Ok, since I am NOT an electrical GURU what do I have on my ICE BEAR TRIKE(HAHA).

Everything on my trike I can light up by just turning on the KEY and I mean everything, so everything electrical thing on my Trike is run off the Battery. I have a light switch on the right handgrip. All the way to the right is OFF, middle setting my instruments lights come on and running lights all the way to the LEFT my headlights come on.
Alleyoop

Here is my Stator:

[JR]

Standard 8-coil AC stator. 7 coils devoted to charging the battery and one designated to the AC feed on the CDI.

JR