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Post by skysoldier173d on Mar 25, 2011 17:10:11 GMT -6
Thanks kiwiscoot. Being a rank newbie to the 250's, I didn't want to explore into unknow country of fluids.
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Post by skysoldier173d on Mar 24, 2011 21:54:18 GMT -6
Earlier today, I removed & repl'd the water pump in my new RR Racer w/Linhai 257cc eng. Upon removal of the water pump oil started draining out of the well were the pump sat in. I assumed this was normal as the bearing of the pump are continually lubricated. My ques. is was that transmission/gear oil fluid that ran out or was it engine crankcase oil? There is less than 300 miles on this engine and I'm not totally familiar with all of the fluids yet. It seems to have the color and consistency of 10W30 oil and not that of the typical 75W80 typical gear oil. I checked the eng oil dip stick and it showed full. Approx 1/2 qt or less ran out and drained into my catch pan.
I would appreciate any clarification on which oil this was than drained out of the water pump well.
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Post by skysoldier173d on Mar 10, 2011 22:14:27 GMT -6
I would like an expert opinion from someone regarding differences noted in my factory orig water pump and a replacement water pump. The impeller diameter of my orig impeller was perhaps slightly less than an inch. Originally when I started having overheating probs which was right out of the crate I called my dealer and he sent me a replacement water pump. The repl. pump however had an impeller 1.47 inch dia. which is a substantially larger impeller than the factory original. Could someone in the technician chain either from factory or US distributors realize that the orig Linhai 257cc eng had an impeller that was too small and/or too low of pumping volume. Would it be wise to change over to the water pump with the larger impeller? And lastly, what is the trick to jerking out the factory supplied water pump to free it for removal. Previously I tried wiggling and shaking once all the bolts were off but it didn't seem to want to budge. Could I try prying it out? I was hesitant because of the risk of damaging any of the die cast or pig iron metal. I would be grateful for any good recommendations. Thanks in Advance, Ernie
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Post by skysoldier173d on Mar 10, 2011 20:58:29 GMT -6
Thanks for your input. Originally my fan was blowing out towards the front of the Scoot. Later I reversed the dc wiring and it blew correctly (blowing over the radiator front to rear). Since then I removed that fan which was high current and low air velocity. I replaced it with twin 4.5in 850 cfm fans mtd side-by-side running constantly thru an off/on switch should I decide to shut down the fans. It is the best cooling I have had so far but sure enough after I run about 5-6 miles the overheat condition returns with the needle all the way to the right of the "H" mark on the temp gauge. It's loaded up with 50/50 Dexcool antifreeze and perhaps I should retry the burping routines but previously, I burped the eng so much that I thought I would be soon wearing out the drain plug at the water pump. thanks again, ern
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 27, 2011 15:24:21 GMT -6
Thanks zug, If you will refer to the pic of the small size radiator it's no small wonder why so many Road Runner Racer Linhai 250 Scoot owners are all having overheat problems. The fan may appear large but look closer and you will see that it isn't much larger than the beep-horn sitting just to the left of the fan. Problem seems to be SMALL,SMALL radiator. I'm contemplating various mounting scenarios of adding in 2 additional 4" fans. Wish me luck, Ern
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 27, 2011 14:34:33 GMT -6
Can you tell me which temp sensor this unit is that is located on the lower left of the radiator? On the engine there is a sensor tapped in just to the left of the intake manifold. If that is the temp sensor, what would this one on the bottom of the radiator be used for? Thanks, Ern
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 27, 2011 14:31:09 GMT -6
As you can see there are 3 already tapped anchoring pts for bolting on some mod's. I was thinking about shifting the rad all the way to the far right and attempt to locate 2 small 4 inchers on the left side putting one on top of the other.
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 27, 2011 14:27:51 GMT -6
Any higher up and the radiator would have been in the instrument cluster.
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 27, 2011 13:26:53 GMT -6
Hi Doc, I'll be showing another pic later of the radiator as Chicom mounted. It's location is behind the 3 dinky 1/8" wide vents and those three (4 counting the one above the fender) are all the vents the wonderful Chicom engineers thought enough to provide. I fully intend to do the Dr. JR radiator fan mod's using 2 switch controlled 4" computer type fans. I like the bracket idea you cleverly used to relocate and rivet on the new fans. Thanks, Ern
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 26, 2011 19:43:09 GMT -6
Radiator output vents shown under the hand grips.
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 26, 2011 19:41:54 GMT -6
Here are some pic's of some very pitiful are intake louver air intakes. At 1st glance they look adequate but in my opinion the very narrow width of the slits as seen under the headlights are only approx 1/8" wide. The ribbed louvers seen on the sides under the handlebar grips are the only air outputs (aft of the radiator) and don't have much of openings to deflect the hot air. Before I attempt to take a can opener to the area under the headlights I think I might greatly enlarge the space inside the louvers with a small roto disk cutter which should allow a lot more air to direct to the radiator where I will have a total of 3 fans, of which 2 fans will be running the entire running time except for cold during the winters. Thanks, Ernie
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 25, 2011 0:14:19 GMT -6
Today I successfully located a lower temp thermostat (72 deg C - 161.6 F) Installed and sealed well and test rode the scoot with the headlight cowling intact. Outside temp was approx 65deg F. Test road at 45mph for approx 5 miles and at the 5mi period the temp gauge has rose just a small indication to the left of "H" but still in the white and not the red. This proves that the eng will run cooler with the thermostat installed as opposed to being removed. I'll post a photo of the scoot and front end so you can see the very skimpy 3 little louvers that I don't believe can let enough of fresh air into the radiator intake & fan. Any additional suggestions will be gratefully rcv'd by myself and the other guy, (Jerry) with the same scoot as mine and enduring the same hi temp probs. I think that the solution in my case will be to cut out an area of the fiberglass cowling just in front of the radiator location and either buy or fabricate a fiberglass air scoop or air intake vent device similar to car owner's using the hi-rise intake manifolds used by auto enthusiasts of past decades to direct the flow of air to the carb(s) or fuel injection. The chain car part stores don't stock them any longer, ie advance, Auto-Zone, O'Reillys, I haven't checked Pep Boys yet. May have to go to the Harley dealer or Honda motorcycle shop who might have something or be relegated to the fiberglass & resin cans. Thanks again Doc, Ernie
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 24, 2011 12:36:36 GMT -6
I rode the scoot 7 to 10 miles with thermostat removed and with the headlight cowling removed and the temp reading stayed midway until I put the cowling, front headlight fairing back on and with the small amt of air louvers the temp went back up to high after riding for a few miles. So now the challenge is going to be where can I locate one of the thermostats you suggest. I will call around locally before I go on line unless you have a good suggestion. I know you have spent much time helping me with this problem and I am truly grateful. The dealer I bought it from in Texas, EVO Sales had one of his new customers from Louisiana call me with the same problems he is having with his Road Runner 257cc Linhai clone. He has already tried all the steps that I have and is in the same rut as myself. Thanks, Ern
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 21, 2011 22:35:36 GMT -6
I ran the eng up to mid temp; via riding it around the block a couple of 3 times, let it totally cool, top of the radiator with 50/50 mix, start let it warm-up again with cap off and top off again. I did the above maneuver 3 times over a 5 hr. time period and after the last top-off I took it out for a 15 min cruise and midway thru the ride it red lined. Later, I discovered a small trickle leak at the thermostat goose-neck. Must have not seated properly from the last time I changed the thermostat. Next, I removed the gooseneck and reattached it but this time I did not put the thermostat back in. BTW, it's an 82 C. unit. I then fired up the Scoot and ran it for about 30 mins in stop & GO, 45mph sustained on the freeway (still well inside the break in mileage) and low and behold the temp meter stayed mid-way and went just slightly above midway during idle behind a truck at a red light. The idle is the same as with the thermostat in which is a little rough. I'm pretty sure the A/F mix needs to be tended to. I could not find the mixture adjustment screw yet. I'm pretty sure that it's not on the intake manifold end, I'll need to remove the airbox to see if it's on the inlet end of the carb. Acceleration out of the hole seemed normal and thru mid rpm's all seemed fine. While pulling out of stop there's a low level "rattling marbles" sound that has been there from my 1st test ride remained. Perhaps the sliders. Seems to be coming from the aft eng to CVT area. I suppose that my repl thermostat could have been defective. I have a new one that should arrive on Tues or Wed. but have decided to run it w/o the thermostat for awhile and monitor how it runs and heats. The weather temp around here is supposed to drop alot tomorrow as it has been mid to upper 70's for the past 5-6 days. Wondering if the Chicom mech's might have left a large sponge inside the eng. somewhere, lol. I say that because after I have been doing the complete rad/eng drains into the catch pans and refill the top off's always seem to take nearly a whole gallon of anti-freeze including what I pour into the reservoir.
Thanks to all and will be donating to the site,
Ern
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Post by skysoldier173d on Feb 20, 2011 21:38:47 GMT -6
I'll certainly check the temp sensor connections. I worked for Motorola Communications for a large part of my life and am pretty good around anything electrical/electrn and connections. I had a few Harley's in younger years, XLR, Electro-Glide and all were air-cooled. A Vespa 150, Lambretta 175cc scoot and air/cooled ofcourse so my 2 wheel liquid cool equip learning curve is moving rapidly. From what I could see, I did not see anthing below the auto-choke that looked like the bleed screw in the illustration and all the hose were of the small 1/4" vacuum size and fuel line. Did some of the Linhai clones not have a carb with the liquid connection? Thanks again, Ern
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