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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 26, 2010 11:39:26 GMT -6
Well, it has been just over two weeks using a used spare clutch and bell housing without any problems. The pads on these OEM clutch plates do look to be different material at least in color. The one slipping is from a Lance while the other is from a no name Znen. Both have approximately the same amount of mileage logged. I do want to put my 1500 rpm contra spring back in and maybe change the clutch springs to 1500's as well. I like the response this set up gives.
Thanks for all the help regarding my scooter woes. I really get a lot of good information from this forum.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 11, 2010 18:16:20 GMT -6
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 7, 2010 16:59:09 GMT -6
I took out the plastic filter cover to the CVT and left it open. I was thinking about drilling holes in the cover.
I adjusted the valves first when I started having this problem with the hesitation. I thought that may be the case. Usually, when my valves go out of adjustment I have a hard time starting the scooter and my gas mileage drops. I monitor my mpg at every fill up (I have an app for that). Still getting 68mpg with my hard driving.
Drove it hard today. Took a lot longer before I started having hesitation issues. But not like the original. I am also getting a sudden stall and a backfire. A few things I noticed today was the my rpms seem higher than before. This is done by sound. I wish I had a tachometer. I think a tach would help greatly. I also use to have a (do not know how to explain) warble sound when running a constant speed. That went away but I do notice a different high rev sound. The more I think about this, the belt may be sticking or slipping as the CVT heats up. Without a tach it is hard to tell. Here's my theory. As I go from stop the belt may slip slightly and then when it grabs completely or partially the engine sputters. The rollers may have a slight transition in direction which may cause the variator to open and close ever so slightly and then I get this jerky action which may stall the engine. Just a theory. It is hard to tell if the contra spring has made a difference. The engine/CVT combination really improved since yesterdays little tune up. I work the next three days so no tinkering on the scooter. Just driving conservatively to get me to and from work. Maybe I should request some OT for new parts.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 7, 2010 11:44:04 GMT -6
On my Milan it took about a hour to change the brake light. I have to remove the rear body plastic just to get to the bulb. Due to vibration these bulbs tend to burn out easily. I have not figured a easy way to remedy the access issue. I had put in a LED brake light only to have it fall apart (vibration). At first, valve adjustment was difficult but since I have done it enough and most of the plastic interlocking pieces are broken it has been easier to disassemble. Nothing compared to dannicus description above! If I ever buy another scooter, I will be looking at ease of servicing on the next one.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 7, 2010 11:28:15 GMT -6
I took apart the CVT again yesterday after this posting. The clutch housing does not show any blue coloring. The internal surface is very polished looking. The clutch pads smooth looking. The belt is a Bando 835 standard size.
Here is what I did. Replaced contra spring with 1500 rpm. The original seems to be the same tension. However, it is shorter than the 1500. Did not change clutch springs. Looks to difficult w/o proper tools. Roughed up the clutch pads w/sandpaper. Changed belt from other scooter. It is an old belt but I thought that I would give it a try. I took the variator off and polished the roller races with Mothers aluminum polish. I also polished the risers where the "V" clips slide. The risers did have vertical scratch marks and felt as if the "V" clips may stick as they slide up and down the risers. I did not want to mess with the surface of the variator. I do not want to introduce any new issues if I may the surface too slick to cause belt slippage. Cleaned rollers with rag. Put everything back together and went out for a short 1/2 ride to the store and back. No problems. Today, I will try to "push it" a little harder to see what happens. Oh, BTW I have not noticed any slipping. I will be ordering a new variator and sliders as well as a belt in the near future. Too many once a year expenses this month.
Thanks for all the insight.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 6, 2010 16:16:58 GMT -6
I am wondering if the pictures below show normal wear and coloration of the variator? Because of the hesitation/sputtering issue, I am wondering if my belt may be sticking to the variator as my scooter heats up. I tend to drive hard and have been dealing with hesitation/sputtering especially at red lights and a few times during deceleration. The past two days I decided to drive at or under 40mph and did not notice the hesitation/sputtering as drastic during my commuter to and from work. There are belt markings toward the center. This is a continuation of my post "Dies when starting at red light."
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 4, 2010 22:29:04 GMT -6
Nice looking scoot. Be safe. Most of all have fun!!!
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 4, 2010 22:21:11 GMT -6
I GIVE UP!!! Although leaning toward CVT and heat since this problem reoccurred 9 miles into my drive to work while slowing down at a red light. Very frustrating near depressing.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 3, 2010 23:41:47 GMT -6
Update: Drove the scooter around with the CVT cover off. When the scooter stalled the belt was in the center of the variator and at the top on the clutch, ruling out a stuck roller or variator issue. Changed the fuel filter. No change. Changed out the carb.
valentino2003 may have the solution. The carburetor swap seems to be the fix so far. Drove around tonight w/o any issues after getting the idle set. Going to take apart the carb later in the week and clean it.
FYI my original scooter purchase is a "Milan" style no name Znen import. The salvaged scooter is a Lance. The Lance carburetor appears to be larger than my original. I have been running with the Lance model since I swapped engines due to a broken exhaust/swingarm mount on the flywheel plate.
I feel sorry for anyone that purchases these scooters w/o any technical abilities. I have had many issues with this scooter.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 2, 2010 16:04:56 GMT -6
I was wondering the same thing. I tried looking on ebay and googling this air fliter. I do not know I would purchase one right now but maybe in the future.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 2, 2010 16:00:51 GMT -6
Went out for a test drive today. When the scooter is cold it runs great. However, after it heats up it stalls when starting from a stop. I guess I am going to have go for a test drive with the cover off my CVT housing to see if the belt is actually stuck in the variator. Going to order a new variator this week. It may be a combination of rollers and the "V-Sliders" sticking as the variator heats up. Is this a common problem?
Oh, I have a question. Is it normal for the CVT cover to get so hot that it can not be handled after driving the scooter? Thanks
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 1, 2010 21:59:03 GMT -6
Took apart the variator today. The rollers have flats spots and a bit out of round. Since I have a salvaged scooter for parts I compared all 12 rollers and picked out the 6 best. I will go for a spin tomorrow to see it there is any improvement. This all makes sense to me now. When driving for a distance and then stop at a light the belt in the variator does not return to the bottom due to the flat spots on the rollers. Basically, it is like starting in 2nd gear in a car and letting out the clutch quickly.
In regards to changing rollers to sliders, should I purchase a new variator and sliders or would just replacing my rollers to sliders will work. My variators both show what I would call normal wear and have about 4000 miles on each.
I ordered a 38mm socket today on ebay. I have a 1500 rpm contra spring that I purchased last year and I would like to install.
I ran tubing from one port to the other when I took out the supplemental air intake.
I have heard about the bolts coming loose on Milans. I have not check the tightness since I did my upgrade. I'll check before my test ride. I frequently look at the exhaust bolts. I broke the engine/exhaust mount on my old engine. Long story.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Oct 1, 2010 8:08:40 GMT -6
ootscoot, I read your message last night b4 going to bed and it makes some sense to me. If it is truly a fuel starvation issue, I would see hesitation at WOT. The other thought is that it seems like I am starting in 2nd gear well b4 this stalling issue arose. That leads me to believe that I may have had a stuck roller for some time now. After I did my engine upgrade I had more response off the line and that slowly went away. I have been considering a variator upgrade but have been putting it off. My stock configuration has 17g rollers and I was thinking about 13g or 15g slider style upgrade. I do not want to go too light and over rev my engine. Thanks for the insight. Ed
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Post by prvrbs35 on Sept 29, 2010 23:43:11 GMT -6
Really strange but #1 and #2 are connected on each side of the intake manifold. Like at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock. I had hesitation and sputtering again tonight but not enough to kill the engine. It usually does not act up until I have driven about 6 to 7 miles. I will be sitting at a red light idling fine, but as soon as I start to go the sputtering begins. I work 12 hour days. I will be changing the fuel filter this Friday. Is there a way to clean the carb w/o taking it apart? What about using an electric fuel pump? Pros and Cons? I will take apart the mystery device Friday just to see what is inside. Here is an old photo kind of showing the location of the mystery device.
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Post by prvrbs35 on Sept 29, 2010 7:51:17 GMT -6
Went out yesterday trying to make my scooter fail. When the hesitation and jerking started I pulled over and check the fuel filter. The filter looked dry. I have a salvaged scooter and I replaced the fuel pump and hoses. Upon firing up the scooter I noticed the filter fill up with gas. Took a short test drive and ran well. However, I did get some jerkiness. The next two days will be the test. I will be driving to work and see how it performs. I will most likely put a new filter in also. I have a coil as well to swap out but I want to do one thing at a time. If I still have problems, I will change the spark plug, then coil.
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