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Post by nerdtastic on Aug 23, 2011 17:32:36 GMT -6
Yep Sprocket that is exactly what I am doing, I just ordered a NCY variator from a local shop it's coming from back east though so I am still grounded until next week.
thanks for the ideas on tuning the roller weights ce that is what I was looking for a concrete set of steps to walk through to try and get the best balance. Sadly between budget and time constraints performance is going to have to take a back seat to just getting back up and running.
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Post by nerdtastic on Aug 22, 2011 23:11:43 GMT -6
Well I have more info I broke out the impact wrench and pulled off the variator and the clutch. The good news is nothing appears to have broken and there wasn't any belt debris, that is the good news. The bad news is the roller weights do appear to have a lot of wear they are worn flat in several spots so those are going to need to be replaced. I also found this: as you can see the belt is not getting all the way to the top of ether the variator or the fan and there is a big difference between the two as you can see below: that is the variator about 5mm from the top and the fan as you can see is about 10mm from the top I think I might have found the cause of the lack of travel though this is a shot of the pins on back of the variator that hold the plate in place. as you can see they are badly worn to the point that the plate is catching and can't travel any further. I think i am going to be getting a new variator in addition to the belt. The the variator is about 10mm smaller that the fan and from other posts it sounds like that will rob me of top end, am I reading that right? I also checked the roller weights all exactly 13 grams. So here is what I think I need to do. I need to replace the variator for sure and I think I want to go with a "performance variator" that is the same diameter as the fan. With it get 3 sets of weights in 12, 13, 14. The idea being 13 might be the right size but the travel is being restricted by both the size mismatch and the rather nasty wear on the pins. I don't want to go a lot heavier as I am pretty happy with the acceleration right now but if I could get about another 4-5 MPH on the top it would be great. Does that sound about right or has the brake cleaner gone to my head and I am missing something important... an thoughts or ideas would be helpful.
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Post by nerdtastic on Aug 22, 2011 11:47:51 GMT -6
OK so I was headed up to the mountains with my daughter for a relaxing time and to escape the heat of the valley. It is a gorgeous twisty mountain road and we are having a great time until... snap! RPMs spike up and no power to the rear wheel. I coasted to a stop put it on the center stand and called for help. We made it home safely (we were meeting friends and they had a trailer). When I got the cover off, yep you guessed it, little pieces of drive belt everywhere. So now I have a broken scoot and I am back to the bus to get to work . A few questions for those who have done this more than I have, 1. is there really a difference between the types of belts i.e gates, or no name generic (a local shop has a generic and I am trying to decide if it's worth waiting for a Gates from scooterbelts.com)? 2. I have seen Kevlar belts advertised are they really worth it for a daily driver? 3. I know I need to pull the variator and and the pulley off and inspect for damage and clean any bits of belt out is there anything else specific I should be looking for? 4. the most important how do I keep from getting stranded again, how often should I be inspecting the belt and what should I be looking for? 5. Sense I am going to have to pull everything off I am thinking that I might go to sliders to get a little more bottom end any suggestions of weights? any other thoughts or ideas would be appreciated
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Post by nerdtastic on May 19, 2011 17:30:05 GMT -6
So this one was sold under the Baron brand name and has the name "speedster" on the side but was built by JMstar who I think sells most of there stuff under the Jonway name now. They still sell this one it is called the BAS Pagoda and comes in 150 and 250. www.jonway-motor.com/1-yy150t-2a-scooter.html#This one is just a 150 and with all the weight from the extra plastic it tops out on the flat at around 52 Mph. I have already posted to the tech forum and gotten some great input on tunning it a bit to get a few more MPH out of it without burning the engine up. I completely lucked out I wasn't even looking for something this cool I was looking for anything under $1000 (the budget the boss gave me). A friend said he had one he wasn't using anymore and if I wanted it he would be willing to sell. So I went over to take a look and this is what I found gathering dust in his garage. needles to say I bought it on the spot. He had purchased it from the original owner who had purchased it from an importer. It is a 2006 and I bought it with about 3600 miles. I have had it for about 2.5 weeks and it has around 4000 on it already ;D
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Post by nerdtastic on May 19, 2011 17:04:56 GMT -6
Cool scoot. What is it called, and where in Oregon are you? I am in Albany Oregon. I have a Roketa 150 trike. I work at OSU in Corvallis and live in Philomath so 95% of my driving is in and around Covallis
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Post by nerdtastic on May 19, 2011 17:01:48 GMT -6
Thanks for taking the time to post those great pics Nerdtastic. You are definately the first on the forum to have one of those. You should get a prize for that.......and for your handle too . one of my student workers (I work at a university) who is a ECE major when he saw it his first comment was "that is completely nerdtastic" and the term sort of stuck :-) I guess it is that I work in IT and I am sort of a geek.
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Post by nerdtastic on May 19, 2011 0:52:51 GMT -6
OK so i have promised twice now to post some more pictures of my new scoot. So here it goes first with the top up (yes it's a convertible) So my kids have this camera radar the moment it comes out they have to get in on the action. But, they have as much fun just sitting on it as I have riding it. :-) and then the clips that hold the top to the windshield and the whole thing hinges back into the trunk, which I will show with help from my trusty assistant and with the top down for those rare nice days in western OR Its hard to see in these pictures but the windshield is at a pretty steep angle so it doesn't push as much air as I thought it would at first. When I get a stiff crosswind it can get a little squirrely. It really does keep me dry in the rain once I get moving. we have been having a really wet spring so I have had ample chance to test it. At a standstill the water from the top sometimes runs down the seem between the top and the windshield and drips right on my hands. That's not really a problem though because it's RED so it doesn't stand still for very long.
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Post by nerdtastic on May 19, 2011 0:08:08 GMT -6
A lot of good advice posted so far. Here's my take on your situation. 1. Stay away from aftermarket exhausts or even upgrading to a high performance air filter as this will only aggravate your WOT bog which is indicative of a lean condition. The gains from these mods are minimal and you will certainly blow your budget. 2. Raising the needle is a good idea to improve acceleration and mid range response, but it will do nothing for the WOT bog. Going with a larger main jet will help this situation and you might not have to adjust the needle. Adjusting the needle is a great way of fine tuning after the main jet is sorted out. Running a slightly larger main jet also helps the engine to run cooler which will help the reliability. 3. Since you are trying for more top speed and seem to be satisfied with the acceleration for the first 80%, I would go with slider weights of about the same weight as the originals. They will allow the same acceleration and will possibly give more top end because of their unique design. Going lighter with slider weights could give you more acceleration and will not hurt top end with the proper weights, but it looks like you are more interested in top end without hurting the acceleration. These basic changes may satisfy your needs and you should have some $$$ leftover. ;D Thanks for your clear explanations Cruiser that answers my question of which to do needle adjustment or jets. If I understand you correctly start with jet and then adjust the needle if it still needs it. What is the difference between a slider weight and the standard roller weights?
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Post by nerdtastic on May 18, 2011 23:48:45 GMT -6
OK so I am posting a few more pics tonight in the pictures section. Thanks for everyones input so far it really helps to narrow things down a bit.
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Post by nerdtastic on May 18, 2011 15:28:04 GMT -6
I just have to say that is a very interesting scoot. I don't think I've ever seen one like that on the road. If that has a typical GY6 engine there are many mods that can be done but, like Sprocket said the best thing to do is tune the CVT and add more displacement. By the way, Welcome To The Best Forum Ever!!!!!! Thanks for the enthusiastic welcome Bong, this has been the best place I have found and great bunch of folks who know there scooters. I was in London (UK) a few years back and saw a few of them they were mostly BMW of course but still it was wild to see and businessmen running around in there suits on scooters with roofs. this one is built by JMStar and was sold under the Barron nameplate. They (JMstar) still sell it under the johnway namebadge as the BAS Pagoda in a 150 and 250. I have only seen 1 other one, in Seattle just a glimpse on one of the bridges in the pouring rain of course. It works really well you really do stay dry and living in western OR it rains a lot. The only downside is the extra weight and in a crosswind it can get a little squirrrely but you can take it down and it folds into the trunk. I'll take some action shots and post them to the pictures section.
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Post by nerdtastic on May 18, 2011 15:09:53 GMT -6
Thanks for the input Sprocket. I wanted to ask more about the needle adjustment I have seen several write ups on it and it looks pretty straightforward. What I don't understand are the pros and cons of upping the jet vs. adjusting the needle they both would allow more fuel but in slightly different ways. So in my case were it seems to be leaning out at between 80% to 100% throttle which would be a better choice? I kind of like the needle adjustment as it is a no cost option but if re-jetting makes more sense...
I am not interested in burning up this engine, this is a daily commuter for me and I need to make it last. So wile it might have been fun to run it up to redline, based on your comments and others I have been researching I think the "no rev limit" CDI is off the table. Tuning the CVT is on the list though along with a new drive belt. so what would you recommend for tunning the CVT I have seen a lot of kits and they all say things like "racing" and "High performance" but changing the gearing can be really tricky and I don't have the $ to buy 20 extra bits just so I can try them all out.
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Post by nerdtastic on May 18, 2011 11:54:46 GMT -6
So I have a new (well new to me) GY6 150 jmstar scooter with about 4K miles and I have a few questions that you guys might be able to help with. So here the deal it pulls great when I am at about 80% throttle but if I turn it all the way to WOT it seems to bog down and lose power when I am accelerating. I did some research and found that behavior described in one of the excellent tech notes posted in the "air, fuel and carb" library. The article said that most likely this was caused by a too small main jet. So I figured I would get three new main jets 115, 120, 130 and see if I can get the mix right. my thought is though if I am going to dig into the carb is it worth doing a few other things at the same time, such as high flow air cleaner and/or upgraded CDI? I am hoping to get a few more MPH out of this but I am not looking for a $500 full on mod. Also I see a lot of upgrade CVT parts out on the market is all of that really worth it or is that more of high performance modding for those trying to wring every last ounce of HP out of their ride? My budget is really small $100 or so at the most so I am trying to figure out were I will get the most improvement for the least amount of $. Any thoughts or pointers would be greatly appreciated .
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