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Post by rockinez on Apr 9, 2014 20:04:50 GMT -6
duck swinging on a scooter site.... A bold move, and impressive too.
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Post by rockinez on Apr 9, 2014 11:39:10 GMT -6
Alleyoop is one of those super users that help provide solid scooter information to... well the world through several forums.
Thank you sir, and the other super users that have been providing useful information for years.
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Post by rockinez on Apr 8, 2014 16:41:46 GMT -6
twowheeler: The truth is after watching forums come and go for the last 6 years, there are a few guys that provide the major support for almost all the informative forums. You know the guys, some are admins on multiple forums. Pretty much most of the useful information comes from these few guys. The difference between forums are the regular members. How do they interact? Do they treat new members nicely? Are there frequent posters that use the forum to amuse themselves at the expense of others by spreading incorrect information? Not all forums are equal. The tech info is the same. The members make the difference.
Case in point: We use regular oil during break in, not because it allows more wear, we use it because it is cheap to dump during break in. Why dump $8/qt oil when you can dump $2/qt oil? It is going to get dumped one way or the other.
SAE offers classes, so does API.
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Post by rockinez on Apr 7, 2014 22:47:05 GMT -6
You have me checking Craig's list for deals.... I need another, more dependable scoot to go along with my China scoot. Projects are always fun. I would love to find a Yamaha twin jet 100 from the '60s. I loved that thing at 15.
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Post by rockinez on Apr 7, 2014 21:40:54 GMT -6
I also live in SoCal (San Diego), and personally choose synthetic to run in my well broken in scooter. I have been doing some longer rides with hills lately. Over 50 miles a few time a week. I was just a little amazed when I made some statements about well known facts, and received answers like "there is a little more too it than that". If so explain please, don't just be rude. We are here to help and amuse each other.
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Post by rockinez on Apr 7, 2014 20:04:12 GMT -6
To the few that possibly didn't understand my attempt to communicate that one does not need to change from regular oil if you do not want to in a GY6. Millions run all over the world on 30w regular oil.
I just wanted to keep it simple. The question was when to change oil types..... That was the question. That is what the post is about.
What is wrong with the basic statements I made? Which of these statements are incorrect?
1. Synthetic is not slicker than regular oil. 2. Synthetic does not break down as fast, and withstands higher temps. 3. It is cheaper to change regular oil after a few hundred miles than synthetic. 4. Regular oil works fine as long as you change it often. 5. You really never have to change from regular oil if you don't want to.
I could add a note, that the later in the day you post, the more likely you are to have someone argue with you using the same information you just gave them. It could be after "Miller Time" things get confusing.
I am not out to cause issues, I just want to cut through all the marketing and misinformation and keep to the solid facts.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 22:51:25 GMT -6
There are some real misconceptions on this post. Including the original question. The amazing thing is the number of posts that are riding this wave of incorrect information.
All the oil companies offer free information on lubricants online. It is free, take advantage of it.
Synthetic is not slicker - it last longer, and takes more heat before breaking down. That's it. No slippery magic at all.
If you change standard oil on a regular basis, your engine will wear the same.
They cover this the first week in a class on motorcycle, or auto mechanics.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 22:15:59 GMT -6
Evidently the end of rental season is a good time to pick up a good used China scoot from a rental shop. They have the bugs worked out after a season of rentals. They were worked on by someone that understands China scoots.
I hadn't thought about it until I saw a post from a former rental mechanic explaining the business.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 22:09:50 GMT -6
The 257cc Linhai engine is the most important thing to me. This engine is only available in a Linhai or Yamaha scooter. Check around and you will find the 233cc clone has quality issues.
I agree the PDI is very important. Finding a dealer that actually does a good PDI is not so easy. I paid for a full PDI on mine in 2008. I ended up re-doing everything the dealer said he did, but did not.
If you can be your own mechanic, go for it. If not be prepared to be rejected by most scooter repair shops. They just will not work on China Scoots at a lot of places.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 17:24:30 GMT -6
Sym has real quality control in manufacturing. I am impressed with their quality. You can find a mechanic for Sym products, unlike mainland China scoots. Nice looking design.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 17:13:55 GMT -6
It is nice in San Diego right now. Not too warm to wear protective clothing, but warm enough to ride.
I took my 150cc out for a 100 mile back road ride this week.
I am starting to actually see other China Scoots around the area. I see a lot of Japanese bikes and scooters around, but it appears China Scoots are catching on again in San Diego.
Having a local mechanic again probably helps. For a couple of years, those that couldn't work on their own scoot ended up parking them because no shop would touch them. A good guy opened up a shop in Pacific Beach, and is doing good business.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 16:58:03 GMT -6
I put a new speedometer on it at 4000 China miles when the original gave up the ghost. I have about 650 China miles on the new speedometer. I am guessing in actual miles 3000 to 3500.
Cyborg, it was a POS when I got it new in 2008. I had to replace all the regular things, plus a few surprises before it was anywhere dependable. It ran fine last year, but I put it up with ethanol laced gasoline, and the interior of the carb was too far gone to clean. Best thing that ever happened, because I replaced it with a nice Japanese carb with outstanding results.
It is so small I have had problems with people trying to share the same parking space with it. I have to park in the middle of parking spaces. I caught one old guy trying to move it so he could have the space. The wheel lock was on so I came out with the scoot sideways, and a crazy old coot cussing and pulling on it. I asked him what he thought he was doing. He proceeded to cuss me up and down for wasting a parking space. I reminded him that he was the only person in his truck :-) Very funny.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 1:38:54 GMT -6
After 6 years I am still happy with this minimalist China Scoot. It is small for a 150cc and fits in tight spaces.
This year's refresh included a new carb, CDI, & coil. The majority of the original fasteners have been replaced with higher quality fasteners. New fuel and vacuum lines. It runs better than it ever has.
I am pretty happy with this little scoot. I seem to have replaced all the problems components. It starts easy and runs strong for a 150cc China Scoot.
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 1:24:08 GMT -6
Uh... finger tight is not right..... Listen to the Ooppman. Finger tight and then a half turn. finger tight does not crush the washer.
When one pops out, you notice!
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Post by rockinez on Mar 13, 2014 1:18:40 GMT -6
The easy answer is take it easy for the first 1k. Don't ride at a consistent speed for long periods. Change the oil at 300 and about 600 miles, then the factory schedule - (others will say different, but look at the oil and decide). Resist all temptation to "get on it" or to see how fast it will go until you hit 2 or 3k.
Have fun, but put the face shield down when you smile.... keeps the bugs off the teeth.
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