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Post by scootcanic on Jun 30, 2014 8:31:44 GMT -6
I will also put a plug in for John's gold Casoli CDI. Well worth the money. Easy starts and good solid performance. Go the distance and get one!
I had that blue thing in one of my friends' scoots and first time out it failed. Ditch that thing asap.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 23, 2014 22:11:46 GMT -6
Like you stated about the vacuum lines. If one is cut and not connected to anything make sure it is plugged. But that doesn't make sense with the 20 minute wait, it would run bad all the time.
Make sure there is a vacuum line to the fuel tank valve (also referred to as the pump) if this is missing it could explain why the 20 minute wait for it to start if the valve is just a slow drip down the line. It is refilling the carb bowl.
You can easily test the fuel valve by disconnecting the fuel supply line to the carb and then sucking on the vacuum line. If there is a good gravity flow of fuel, then all is ok. If you have fuel in the vacuum line, that os bad, needs either to remove the valve or replace. No flow is also the obvious, remove or replace.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 15, 2014 23:59:41 GMT -6
Unfortunately I do not have a tach on it. Is there a simple way to accomplish this or would it be easier to drive to chi town and have you do it? LOL
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 15, 2014 22:09:23 GMT -6
Well with the stock CDI, honestly there is no noticeable changes. It runs and performs the same for all real purposes. Still has a RPM limiter at the same spot that the blue one does. Basically found out not to waste time or money on that one from all things I can tell.
I live in the middle of no where and like to ride as fast as possible on country roads, but also at the same time, because of my technical background, can appreciate a limiter on a CDI so there is a small safety net so the engine is not over rev'ed. Just at first didn't think that the aftermarket "performance" CDI's had them as well. Don't worry there is village and city driving in there too, just not as much.
Only way to go faster is change gearing or variator and clutch components. At least with a little bigger displacement there is better get up and go from a stop, reach traffic speed quicker in town and also not lug as hard on hills.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 15, 2014 10:25:18 GMT -6
Your issue occurs on acceleration and stumbles is how I am reading it. If you back off the throttle about a 1/4 inch. Now pay attention to the engine. If it just settles down and does not gain speed it is rich at that point. If it gains speed when backed off it is lean. If it is where you said it was, in the middle on acceleration, the needle for the main jet will need adjustment.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 15, 2014 9:43:42 GMT -6
So you convinced me to reinstall the stock cdi. In total curiosity I took the blue one apart to see why they are bad, first off they are filled with sand once you get the resin plug out. Sand is an insulator and keeps heat in. Totally killing the reason for the heat sink aluminum. Then found bad cold solder joints where the wires meet the board, they all just popped off the solder tabs. Buyer beware. It is repairable but why should I fix a new part I installed 10 minutes ago?
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 14, 2014 16:43:41 GMT -6
The CDIs some people complain about are these: Rpms change, sometimes hard starting, sometimes missing at high rpms etc. And usually then the guy thinks its his carb a fuel problem or something else. Alleyoop Well honestly we had one die on the road. Got it back to the garage. Went through all of it, spark was there but might have been weak now that you mention it. Carb was all good and clear, wouldn't pop even on starting fluid. Checked compression, 100 psi only with kick starter, battery dead, throttle wide open. Checked valve adjust. Just a little tight on intake, exh was ok. Adjusted intake. Check gas flow out of the tank, good. Carb had plenty of gas in it too. Nothing was making sense. Of course we tried it after each little thing, finally it popped off for no real apparent reason. CDI maybe?
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 14, 2014 15:29:17 GMT -6
By the way when we did the new coil originally the connections were loose and I did crimp them tighter at that time. Loose connections are a killer for troubleshooting on big rigs where I work.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 14, 2014 15:27:17 GMT -6
Alley, it is funny you mention that. We got it running good. Likely the same time you were typing was the same time I had that same thought rev limiter. Got my pal over here and test drove both at the same time. Found out happens at same road speed and more so on flat and downhills. Exactly the rev limiter as mentioned.
Is there some tell tale sign of a crap cdi that you have mentioned. We have that blue one installed and seems to be working fine. I would like to know what to look for and a recommendation on a good one if that is the case.
@all that replied: Thanks very much for your help! I can not stress that enough! A good forum with awesome advice is very hard to find.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 14, 2014 12:13:45 GMT -6
So I have installed the 90. The sputtering at WOT is cured. Just now have the issue where it intermittently will skip out while driving now. At WOT going down the road it seems like it loses spark or fuel then regains power again. Just like if the key was shut off. I have the same issue with the other scooter in the garage. Both run, idle and accelerate fine, just the miss at WOT while driving. Most of the time it is fine. Just sporatically while driving. Have not been able to pinpoint a good way to duplicate it.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 14, 2014 8:20:46 GMT -6
Hope to eliminate confusion this post.
I just moved CLIP from center to top of needle, makes it leaner on acceleration. Test drive results were good at idle and midrange on acceleration. At WOT it sputters. Backed off 1/4 and it just settled down. Did not have a noticeable gain in engine speed or power. This says I am RICH at WOT. Going to put in smaller jet (90), rinse and repeat.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 13, 2014 17:33:41 GMT -6
BASHAN, Both valve lash is at .004 and was double checked again when I was still having issues.
ALLEYOOP, I have tried putting it all the way down and it was not good just stumbled in midrange and would not get past the sputtering no matter how i did the throttle position other then backed all the way off. I could go to the 100 and move the clip all the way to the top and see if it makes a difference if it makes a 1-2 change in effective size.
CYBORG, I could do the same by leaving gas cap off. We can try that tomorrow .
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 13, 2014 4:27:03 GMT -6
@ Alleyoop
I tried the backing off at wot when it acted up and it didn't accelerate right away, just smoothed out then slowly will accelerate or maintain speed. So that tells me smaller main jet. That will happen this weekend. Again like last post, may need to break down and get a full set of jets between 90 and 100 to iron it out perfectly. I only have a 90, 95, and 100 currently readily available.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 13, 2014 4:22:04 GMT -6
Alley? Does the stock carb, air filter, and exhaust disturb you at all with the big arse BBK, cam, and valves? Rich Stupid thing about all the performance parts but stock intake and exhaust is I have a second one I did basically same thing to. That one gets up and goes no sputtering on the way to WOT and full rpm. Once there its great for a solid mile or two. Then its like someone shuts off the key and turns it back on. So far only when hot and WOT. May meed to get some jets in between 90 and 100 and play with it more. That one has a carb slide where the needle goes of 17mm with accel pump. The current one in this thread is a 20mm slide no accel pump.
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Post by scootcanic on Jun 12, 2014 20:10:45 GMT -6
Here's the details. We just installed "100cc" BBK. Performance cam, big valve head, new blue style CDI, fresh ignition coil (orange if it matters), 95 jet. Stock intake, carb and exhaust. It idles wonderfully can not complain about that. I have followed Alleyoop's carb tune procedure to a tee. All jets are clean ports are clean, idle speed changes with mixture screw when adjusted. All is good until we drive it.
When we take it for a spin, it stumbles on acceleration. I have tried richer and leaner, does it less when lean on acceleration but then the second portion kicks in, when on the throttle constant it feels like a misfire here and there. If it is richer it doesn't do that as much but still noticeable. When lean it is very bad. I cant find the happy medium unless there is something I am missing all together.
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