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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 6, 2015 18:52:09 GMT -6
As I see it, the main limitation you're going to have is working with a "P" 157QMJ. That being said, I'm right there with ya, pal! Cycles are Cycles, and Scooters are Scooters, but that doesn't mean Scooters can't still be "stylish" or "cool"! I'm a firm believer in making a scooter "your own" in any way possible, especially fabricating your own "accessories" (but that's just my opinion)! Exactly and if I cant get the performance out of the P 157qmj, scrappy dogg scooters sales a 200cc motor with a oil cooler already installed for like $500 ish dollars and my budget is going to be $1200, but im going to shoot scrapy a call and see what all comes with that motor, Cam and what size, and is the motor a bored out 157qmj? or what exactly, all else fails i'll buy a standard 157 qmj and then buy bbk , cams, taller gears, etc, but the only thing im stuck on is do I want to set it up like a cruiser, a bobber, a crotch rocket, a chopper? or a standard scooter?
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 5, 2015 23:43:26 GMT -6
I had a issue almost exactly like this, but I did a number of things at the same time to correct it, but the main problem being was the belt wasnt rising in the clutch bell, it was stuck and not engaging the clutch, so I would first start by taking the cvt cover off and watch the belt as you give the scooter gas and note what it does.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 5, 2015 23:35:33 GMT -6
scooters are not built to compete with motorcycles. any machine can be made "better" if your wallet is big enough. dependability and longevity rests on maintenance. the biggest problem with Chinese scooters is that they can't be built in America for 60 cents a day. Well Obviously there not built to compete with motorcycles, its just this instance Im competing a scoot against a motorcycle to have a fun side project to do, NOT a big debate on is it worth it or there quality, or anything like that, its simple what suggestions would people have to make a scooter comparable to a motorcycle, more for fun that anything, a reason to do something different with a scooter.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 5, 2015 17:37:45 GMT -6
Well performance I would like to achieve a strong 60-65mph and with the engine on these scooters bbk's won't work without changing alot but at the end I don't get what I was looking for I will fabricate a bbk to make it work, I'm starting from the ground up, I just bought a set of 13"rims and set of low pro kenda tires with the back tire being a bit bigger than the front and I made a bracket to hook the suspension to, to accommodate the needed space for the tire/rim, along with 2 different style carbs a 30mm round a 30mm flat with a jet kit assortment, and i just ordered alot more parts handle bars, rotors, brake calipers, brake lines, etc, trying to accomplish this with out looking gotti.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 3, 2015 20:37:14 GMT -6
Im not trying to turn this into a pissing contest just a fun side project.
All hounesty I could proably get some scrap pipng and weld me up a frame and make a better bike then most chinnesse scooters but why not try and do something differnt for a change.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 3, 2015 20:36:30 GMT -6
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 3, 2015 20:12:37 GMT -6
This is not my scooter, I havent had time to take pics yet but its identical besides mine has a diffent muffler.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 3, 2015 20:08:07 GMT -6
Hey,
To make a long story short I got into a argument the other day with a old school motorcycle/ scooter mechanic that stated basically scooters wont never be comparable to motorcycles due to the overall cheap nature of scooters, thats why scooter aftermarket and accessories are just very plain and not worth the hassle.
I rebuild fixer upper motorcycles and scooters for resale as a side job and have been doing pretty good lately, scooters have exploded in my area lately.
Ive got access to alot of different style scooters and sizes and tools to get the job done and im going to try and rebuild a scooter that will change his perspective, and hopefully learn some new things along the way.
First off this is the base im going to be working off of is the scooter in the title, a 2008 "Alien" longbo 150cc 4 stoke 1p57qmj scooter "Roketta Style" its a spare scooter I had laying around I didnt know what to do with so this seems like a good project for it, now by the end of this build it will be pretty custom but..... why not.
So what do you scooter gurus think would have to be done to get this scooter to a be a very dependable/cumfortable/fast/daily driveable machine.
Tools I have on hand to work with: Impacts, mig welder, air compressors, full socket sets standard/metric, alot of speciallty tools to many to list, but any and all suggestion/ comments welcome: good the bad, the very bad... tell me what ya think.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 3, 2015 19:48:40 GMT -6
P.S: For those who dont know I buy fixer upper motorcycles and scooters to rebuild and sell.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 3, 2015 19:46:47 GMT -6
i just dont see why it's such a big deal to make a true advancing curve cdi,,,cars and motorcycles have had them for decades,,,and worldwide sales of scooters is huge,,,(epic porportion huge) so i would think they'd be everywhere,,,,it's not like there's no volume to support the developement Well, I kinda had a discussion with another moto mechanic about that subject on why didnt they make more products for the scooters like they do for the motorcycles, the old school mechanic stated that because they never had a reason to, scooters werent meant to go fast so why would they invest time and money into a aftermarket part or improving the scooters when there so cheap to replace brand new......... Key pharse being "Scooters were not meant to go fast" and from that point I argued with him till he walked off, with the right mods a scooter could be decent.... dont get me wrong it will never come close to my 2008 yamaha r6 but a scooter makes a fun side project to try and make fast, and with his comments sturing around in my head I went home and took my 2007 alien Longbo 150cc 1p57qmj scooter "Roketta Style" and stripped it down and give it a complete make over to try and prove him wrong, the scooter will be 100% custom but will be nice and wont be worth half ill put into it but, I WILL PROVE HIM WRONG, Ima post up pics of a before and after, along with progress pics, im going around to diffent sites getting opinions and advice now, so if you have any good ideas or opinions on the matter please post I would like to hear the docs info on a custom nice/comfortable/daily drivable/fast scooter.
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Post by ryanosalien on Nov 3, 2015 0:12:23 GMT -6
So now you all are seeing what i am.... okay so there all the same cdi, im going to order this 1 and another I saw around a "Naruku Racing", and since the cdi are pretty cheap I would like to make a video of there overall performance with each 1, I have the 1p57qmj motor so I cant go with a bbk or cams from what I understand without bottoming out the springs so im going to push it as much as possible with out those 2 mods, and post up at the end what all I did so people with the same motor have a few options.
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Post by ryanosalien on Oct 29, 2015 21:02:15 GMT -6
Tvac I watched the video and yes I see were the timing advances under throttle, what I was saying Ive seen the exact looking cdi on ebay those gold cdi's that have Casoli on them that dont mention anything about variable timing just that it has a 4 degree advance on them.
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Post by ryanosalien on Oct 28, 2015 1:44:41 GMT -6
Is this the same cdi they sell on ebay? And if not what makes this 1 better than the rest?
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Post by ryanosalien on Oct 26, 2015 23:10:40 GMT -6
Hey,
Well my little blue crappy cdi "performance" off ebay screwed up my starter clutch and now that i got that replaced I want to switch cdi's completely, I was looking at the adjustables problem being theres not a whole lot of info on them, the best I can gather is when you twist the adjust screw clockwise you advancing timing on low rpms but cause a kick back and thus were im at now with the blue cdi, and couter clockwise "Retard" improves on your higher rpms kinda were you need to be "so im told" but my question is how close is that to true and will it cause any ill affects lilke advancing timing on the lower rpms?
Also does any 1 else have a good tutorial on adjustable CDI'S, or have 1 that performs well and dont fubar your starter?
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Post by ryanosalien on Oct 13, 2015 8:39:09 GMT -6
Yea I can see what your saying hmm were did you get the exhaust your using and on from the "aftermarket exhaust I've seen have the same OE pipe diameter so besides a loud straight through muffler it's the same as the stocker I'm running, I'm a keep my eye out for a better setup
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