2009 velo 150 often wont start By cloudkicker (Read 247 times)

[cloudkicker]

hi im new to forum and scooting, just got my license in Montana yaaay

well I got a 2009 velo 150cc a few months ago with 1700 miles now its more like 2300.

and now when I go out I put up my kick, turn the key, click the switch to on, pull the brake and push the button.  and nothing happens.

it seems to make a small click noise though most times.  but not everytime.

try again and nothing. but if you screw with it long enough, trying over and over suddenly it just works like magic.  bam suddenly starts up no problem.

also sometimes putting it up on the center stand seemed to help but maybe that was just coincidence cause last night at walmart that wasn't doing anything.  and I couldn't kick start it.  haven't ever suceessfully kick started it actually it seems very hard to do that and I don't really know how.

seems to be getting worse as it goes.

seems like its never had any maintenance done really... I was gonna go have a friend help with the valve check today see if they need adjusting.

and ive checked the oil a lot im good at that lol.

I kinda feel like it has a bad connection somewhere maybe the actual start button or the key switch.  sometimes all I do it turn the key again over and over and finally it goes.  but no idea really.

gonna see if I can fool the local scooter deal into financing me a new Honda but I been working on my credit itll be a couple more months before it gets very good. =(

[jvino]

You are probley right a loose conection to the starter switch or it could of went bad. I am not real good with the diagnosis. Alley or bashan will see this soon and they will be more of a help. Good luck on the new Honda there scooters are nice I like the 300.

[cloudkicker]

hiya jv yeah thinking that forza would be real nice or maybe a burgman. the Suzuki shop has some nice blur 220s to lol might need to test drive one of them out to

of course I like my velo just fine, its gotten me ready for something with a little more power I'll need when I go out to my dads place.
theres a couple miles I am forced to get on the frontage road and the speed limit is 70.
but as long as I can keep it going the velo is great in town lol.

hmm well ive noticed people like to try and take me out a lot. ive had a couple incidence already where people just want to come right into my space, and I had to swerve like a mofo.
and I had a rock chip my faceplate to.

[cloudkicker]

bike was deader as a door nail this morning... couldn't get it going for an hour.

finally I am pressing the button and I can here a slight "pap" noise each time I press it and I know then its starting to come to life. few more presses with a stronger "pap" noise and wham starts right up feeling good.

turn it off. try again. starts.
three more tries in a row and no problems.

friend comes over and im like "hey watch me start the bike up" and it starts right up no problem.
althought the first turn did sound a little labored maybe but it fired up.

turn it off. and try again and started even easier, with a stronger sounding first turn.

im about to go start it up again, I hope. and take this sucker for a ride. let it sit awhile and then try.

[adamhoyer]

Do you keep your battery on a trickle charger? Should kick start dead though I think...

[Bashan]

Do you know what the solenoid is? If so, expose it by removing the seat bucket. Turn on the key to take the kill function offline, and put a large screwdriver across the terminals of the solenoid and hold it there. Don't freak when it sparks. If it cranks and starts a few times like that it's a bad solenoid. Do you have a multimeter and know how to use it? If so we could avoid the nasty jump test. If you don't know what the solenoid is just post here and tell us. Rich

[cloudkicker]

I took the battery in and got it checked he said it was good.

Ill check the solenoid next and see what happens.. nah not sure where it is but I think we can find it I was watching some videos lol.


when I was clicking the button to start I can see the brake light dim slightly each time I noticed to. even when its not starting.

[cloudkicker]

just went out to check and first button push I heard the small noise like when it starts but it didn't, and then the second button push was dead silence. now its back in its extra-dead mode lol.

ill check the solenoid tomorrows for sure dark out already

[jvino]

Glad you were wearing a helmet when you got hit with that rock that cracked your sight in your helmet. I was riding earlier this week and got hit with something I think it was a bug though. I wear a half helmet and always eye protection.

[Bashan]

May 23, 2014 22:27:15 GMT -6 cloudkicker said:

when I was clicking the button to start I can see the brake light dim slightly each time I noticed to. even when its not starting.

That sounds like a bad starter, they draw voltage but don't spin. But sometimes they will hit and act normal. Does the solenoid click EVERY time you hit the start button or once in a while?

[kz1000st]

Pull both brakes when you hit the starter button and let us know what happens.

[cloudkicker]

hi again thanks for the ideas.
im actually still looking for some tools to borrow lol I don't have any. hope to get out to my dads place and get a few things.

hmm well it will make the small click noise for a while, but wont be starting. so ill stop and turn the keys off and the kill switch and start all over. and then the next time it wont make the noise at all.
so ill start all over again and then maybe it will get the click noise back.

sometime it starts making the click a little bit louder so I know its real close and I just gotta keep trying.

I tried with both brakes and just the rear or just the front. hard to say if it made any difference
got it going again now with just the rear again.
took it out for a ride and know ill wait a bit and see if it wants to start again lol.

soon as I get the tools ill be trying that solenoid and poking around inside.

[Bashan]

If it makes the clicking sound intermittently but not every time, and when making the clicking sound sometimes doesn't engage the starter, it could be:
1. Weak battery, if it's charged and load tested, that's off of the table.
2. Bad start button. You need a multimeter to determine if it's the button and I got a feeling you don't have one? So in lieu of that, unhook the black cable from the solenoid. Repeatedly hit the start button with the key on and it should click everytime. If it's hit and miss it could be the start button.
3. Bad solenoid, With the cable reattached, if it clicks every time but engages just once in a while, it's probably a bad solenoid. Jump the terminals with a screwdriver. If it spins and starts every time, it's the solenoid.
4. Bad starter. A bad starter draws a lot of energy so usually the lights will get really dim when you hit the start button.

[kz1000st]

Pull both brakes individually and see if the tail light lights every time. Might also be a bad brake light feed or connection somewhere.

[Alleyoop]

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