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Post by Alleyoop on Feb 11, 2015 21:58:30 GMT -6
And here is one more for, my Chino Trike is AC and get this EVERYTHING ELSE is DC fed from the battery as soon as you turn the KEY ON you can turn on everything on the trike. So on my trike the only thing that is happening when the motor is started is the R/R is charging the battery and feeding the Enricher. I took the Enricher off and installed a manual Enricher.
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Post by dmartin95 on Feb 11, 2015 22:25:04 GMT -6
I took the Enricher off and installed a manual Enricher. Alleyoop Not to hijack this thread, but I have a quick question that doesn't deserve it's own thread... What activates the enricher? For example, if the scooter is started for half hour and I stop to get gas, shut it off... When I restart it, does the enricher cycle again or does the temperature of engine dictate enricher cycle? |
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Post by Alleyoop on Feb 12, 2015 11:25:01 GMT -6
The temperature of the ENRICHER the motor temp has nothing to do with it. Although since it is sitting there near the motors heat it may take a little longer to retract.
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Post by Bashan on Feb 12, 2015 18:23:09 GMT -6
To clarify an oft confused issue....the enricher has a plunger that when the thermowax is cold is retracted. In this position the enricher is on because the plunger is not blocking the extra fuel. When the bike starts the stator generates electricity that heats the thermowax up and extends the plunger. This eventually pushes the plunger into the shut off position and the extra fuel is stopped. So the enricher is an entity unto itself, it cools off when the bike is off and retracts to open the enricher circuit. Once the electricity flows it starts the heating process and closes off the circuit. The enricher senses nothing, it just heats up when the juice flows. You could hook it up to the key switch and it would operate the same. DC or AC it works the same.
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Post by kauairyder on Feb 14, 2015 18:33:15 GMT -6
did you invert the battery cables (for a moment) ? The regulator is shorted internally , this is the item that is most likely the cause , it could be black in color . John I may have for a moment. How can I trouble shoot the black wire to see if its the cause |
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 14, 2015 18:35:20 GMT -6
did you invert the battery cables (for a moment) ? The regulator is shorted internally , this is the item that is most likely the cause , it could be black in color . John I may have for a moment. How can I trouble shoot the black wire to see if its the cause can you post a picture of your regulator ? |
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Post by kauairyder on Feb 14, 2015 18:45:23 GMT -6
At this point we need your wiring config. Do you have a yellow and white wire coming off of your stator? Do you have a wiring diagram in your manual? As suggested by the guys, you may have roasted your R/R and blown a diode. That would explain the charging loss. The relay theory would explain the headlight on all of the time but that would be unusual on such a small engine and especially a Jonway. So some pix of the stator and R/R wires would help. Yes, there is a yellow and white wire coming off the stator. Where should info from there |
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Post by kauairyder on Feb 14, 2015 18:47:30 GMT -6
I may have for a moment. How can I trouble shoot the black wire to see if its the cause can you post a picture of your regulator ? Not sure how to attach photo to here. There is green yellow white red coming off regulator |
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 14, 2015 19:11:35 GMT -6
unplug the regulator and see if the lights go out .
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Post by kauairyder on Feb 14, 2015 20:07:06 GMT -6
unplug the regulator and see if the lights go out . John Thanks john, I wasn't able to see the front lights because I disconnected the bulbs, but the rear light was on and when I disconnectedthe regulator, the light went off. Do you think that ythe regulator burnt out? |
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Post by Bashan on Feb 14, 2015 21:39:33 GMT -6
We can test the stator and R/R as follows:
Now we'll do the more common single phase GYW stator. It's called GYW because that is generally the color of the wires in the pigtail. Even though there are two power wires coming off of the stator it is still single phase because it is actually one wire. The yellow is center tapped on to the white, it is not a separate winding. Remember, the circuits are completed through ground wires:
The system looks like this:
Unplug the white and yellow and start the bike. Ground one probe (remember, polarity does not matter with AC current!) and put the other probe on the white with the bike running and some RPM. You should get 20 to 40v AC. Do the same with the yellow and you should get 15 to 25. If not, your stator is bad and must be replaced:
Now plug them back in and test on an exposed connector. The wires are now regulated by the R/R and both wires should read around 12v AC with some RPM. You should also get 13 to 14.5 DC on the battery if the R/R is OK.
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 15, 2015 6:19:39 GMT -6
did you invert the battery cables (for a moment) ? The regulator is shorted internally , this is the item that is most likely the cause , it could be black in color . John when I posted the link I was about 90% sure it was the regulator . Now that you unplugged the regulator and it stopped the problem I'm 100% in what I said in the above post . John |
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