Ah Ha! By kz1000st (Read 967 times)

[kz1000st]

So much for Chinese Junk.

www.cfmoto.com.au/news-7089/cfmoto-narrowly-miss-out-on-podium-at-2016-iomtt

Three Kawasakis in front.

[jct842]

Next year........sure wish they would get their butt back into US presence and give us some of the bikes other countries are getting. Those in the KNOW keep blaming DOT and the pollution regulations, but other countries are also getting a lot more strict.

[cookees]

How can you tell if someone from CFMOTO corporate is lying to you? Easy, their lips are moving.

[cyborg]

That's great,,hope they keep racing,,,it improves the breed,,there's only one bad thing about this situation tho,,,they'll realize that material quality and machining tolerances need to be better and more refined,,,so prices will go up,,,big time,,,blow up a 70,000 Ferrari engine and what do you have ? A $200 lump of scrap,,,it's all the operations that make it what it is,,,but this is good news for them,,,I know I just bought a r80 beemer,,but if the Zhongshan rx3 was a 450 instead of a 250 or the genuine g400c were available either one would be sitting in my garage right now,,,I'm not opposed to buying Chinese as long as it has decent quality,,,he!! All my apple phones and computers are made there,,,

[JR]

Here's the part that I don't understand? What made me always (no more) get on CFMoto about is being too pricey for the we are not the typical Chinese scooter and they way the just left everyone here as we say high and dry. They do make quality machines and IMO they just need to make them and advertise their quality and looks along with narrowing the profit margin in a way that they can do more of a bulk sales to keep profits up.

I mean they know that a lot of the sell from front porch and online dealers are out there selling Chinese scooters that have very little or no support so that is a great sales pitch, after all until the owners of Fly went bonkers, that idea sold a lot of scooters for them and we all know Fly was only a notch above a lot of common Chinese scooters in fact if a person knows how to do a good PDI and doesn't mind turning a wrench then a online deal can be just as good in a lot of cases?

So think about it? They are already set up, know this country and how to get around so if they just hit the market with a quality machine, good support, parts and sold themselves on those items alone and change their profit strategy they could be a major contender here again and don't forget they make a butt kicking ATV and motorcycle, heck sell them all.

Selling them should be on a basis of a fast dime is better than a slow dollar after all if I sell 20 machines at a dime profit each and you sell one at a dollar profit I've made twice as much money,I have 20 happy customers that will help sell my product and keep dealers busy along with their staff and mechanics compared to your one.

I think with people here knowing that Chinese products are here to stay in just about everything we buy they can leave the "we are the better Chinese scooter" thing behind. But this at this time would be a hard sell here for anyone who knows their back history of leaving here awhile back, trust is hard to earn back sometimes.

JR

[cyborg]

Very true,,,I know they are not Chinese but look at genuine,,,they make (or sell) a decent machine,,,,parts support is dam near nonexistent ,,,I have a dealer 3 miles from my house and when I go in there to get something the parts guy goes online,,,so I walk and do it myself,,,thought I found a real good vendor for genuine sent them an email about some parts I'll need soon I have yet to hear back from them and that was a week ago,,,so I was really hesitant to put an order in for their new g400c motorcycle,,,I ended up with a 1984 r80st,,,one reason is I can get bmw parts all the way back to the 1930's models with little trouble,,,

[kz1000st]

Two things I can tell you after four years of ownership. 1) Sorry, but CF Moto quality in 2009 was no better than crate scooters of the same era. I have both and my crate scooter has held up better in many respects. The strong point for CF Moto was a dealer network who could fix the parts that broke and probably had them in stock.

2) My CF Moto is so much like my 1970s Japanese bikes it's amusing. I knew that if I beat on my Japanese bikes they would expire and so it is with the Fashion. Judicious use of throttle is not just necessary for long life but total survival. Not to smear his anyone but another Fashion owner here was a throttle twister. I knew when he described how he used his Fashion it wouldn't long survive. Sure enough he blew the head gasket and was on the road to a rebuild. Mine has done long interstate trips and is fine, Thank you. It will dribble oil out of the air filter housing if it's not happy so I know when I've been bad. It tells me, so keeping the revs down is a must.

There are at least two companies who not only outshine Fly Scooters with Chinese scooters but will be in the lead when the Chinese catch on. Bintelli and Wolf. I saw both scooters at Superior Scooters in Connecticut. Well made bikes and only sell through dealers and at reasonable prices. From what I've seen Justin at Bintelli is stepping up the game. They are selling scooters made by Jiajue, a company I never even heard of before. What that hints at to me is that Znen wasn't as willing to make changes Justin deemed necessary so he landed a different company for his bikes. The Fury is one kick arse looking machine and if I didn't have a garage full of bikes at the moment one in blue may have followed me home.

A new day is coming for "Made in China" and we're all going to look pretty smart for having been here first.

[cookees]

At this time Wolf has elected to stay with Znen. I hope that decision bodes well for them. The folks at Wolf are great and a joy to do business with.

[JR]

Jul 6, 2016 7:52:08 GMT -6 kz1000st said:

Two things I can tell you after four years of ownership. 1) Sorry, but CF Moto quality in 2009 was no better than crate scooters of the same era. I have both and my crate scooter has held up better in many respects. The strong point for CF Moto was a dealer network who could fix the parts that broke and probably had them in stock.

2) My CF Moto is so much like my 1970s Japanese bikes it's amusing. I knew that if I beat on my Japanese bikes they would expire and so it is with the Fashion. Judicious use of throttle is not just necessary for long life but total survival. Not to smear his anyone but another Fashion owner here was a throttle twister. I knew when he described how he used his Fashion it wouldn't long survive. Sure enough he blew the head gasket and was on the road to a rebuild. Mine has done long interstate trips and is fine, Thank you. It will dribble oil out of the air filter housing if it's not happy so I know when I've been bad. It tells me, so keeping the revs down is a must.

There are at least two companies who not only outshine Fly Scooters with Chinese scooters but will be in the lead when the Chinese catch on. Bintelli and Wolf. I saw both scooters at Superior Scooters in Connecticut. Well made bikes and only sell through dealers and at reasonable prices. From what I've seen Justin at Bintelli is stepping up the game. They are selling scooters made by Jiajue, a company I never even heard of before. What that hints at to me is that Znen wasn't as willing to make changes Justin deemed necessary so he landed a different company for his bikes. The Fury is one kick arse looking machine and if I didn't have a garage full of bikes at the moment one in blue may have followed me home.

A new day is coming for "Made in China" and we're all going to look pretty smart for having been here first.

I really think that even the crate scooters if one just wants to ride the devil out of them will have the same response as the Moto you referred to? You take my 250B, there have been times I rode it hard but for the most part I've held it in the good 60 to 65mph range and of course like you keep it serviced. I also am aware of what scooter you're talking about but we need to remember this person rode this machine every single day in every kind of weather and yes they rode it hard but IMO this scooter was not what was needed for this ride every day. They racked up a lot of miles quick, add wide open speeds and harsh temps at times and it was a recipe this scooter wasn't designed to take. I'm not sure any scooter at the same specs was designed for that type of riding?

I would add Genuine to that list of scooters who can perform well.

JR

[kz1000st]

I would add Genuine to that list of scooters who can perform well.

Quite true but Genuine Scooters either come from Taiwan or India (Stella). The Blur 220 would be a great all around scooter but the $3999 price tag puts it in the same price range as numerous Japanese 250cc motorcycles and the SYM Citicom 300.

www.genuinescooters.com/blur.html

[cyborg]

Yes I think genuine is stratospheric on their prices,, and parts support is nonexistent ,,, the only reason I got the Stella is it was a leftover for just a tick over half price so I snatched it,,,msrp was way over what I just paid for a gently used BMW r80,,,( less than 400 miles on it too),,, I know they gotta make a buck but these msrp's over $4000 for a scooter is crazy talk in my book,, it would have to be one he!! of a scooter for 4G's,,,the Vespa crowd is insane for paying retail ,, they are just not that much better,,, I know you like what you like but they are not superior by any stretch of the imagination,,, I'll end up putting another grand to fifteen hundred in the BMW MAYBE and it'll be 10 times the bike any vespa would ever dream of being,,, and $5000 is the buy in on a 150cc vespa the only thing the scooter would have over the bmw is mileage,,, now I know I'm comparing dealer new to used but even CL listed used Vespas are more than what I got the beemer for,,, there's that panache thing again

[kz1000st]

Not to pile on but a few months reading at Modernvespa.com is enough to make you blanch.

modernvespa.com/forum/topic148109

"I just completed a 4 week trip on my 2015 Vespa 300 and did not finish the trip on my bike because it broke down after 3,400 miles just outside the Grand Canyon.

The main reason for my post is that I need a new engine according to Vespa corporate and my local Vespa shop in Buffalo. They said that it burned up oil (I was checking it on the daily and it looked fine), and that it won't be covered under warranty. A new engine install costs several thousand dollars and I'm really stunned right now at the thought of that.

The Vespa corporate people said I should try to find a used engine somewhere - maybe someone's crashed bike that still has a good engine - and save some money that way."

3,400 miles?? Burned up oil?? Maybe he didn't take it back in to have break in oil removed, BUT JEEZ.

I paid half what he did, new, for the Honda Rebel.

[cyborg]

There is no " break in " oil with vespas,,, they come with synth right outta the crate,, and the engines are Taiwanese ,,, I got out of the Italian game on my last ducati build,,, the fuel tank cost $2200 unpainted,, or fuel pump or anything just an empty shell ,, more than most people pay for a scooter ,,, exhaust? Over $3200,,, that's enough for me folks,,, I learned my lesson,, altho I did make a pretty penny when I sold it,,, that will never happen again at least with me anyways, ill say it again the high priced spread isn't all it's cracked up to be,,, hardly worth second hand market prices ,,, I'd rather hotrod everyday plain Jane rides,,, less money and they perform wonderfully when I keep it mild

[jct842]

The closest to Italian in any vehicle I owned was a yugo. A 1989 model made with tooling for a 60's fiat! I drove it like a grandma would and had 65,000 almost trouble free miles on it when I traded it to a guy to drywall my 9' ceiling. Just like chinese vehicles if you don't abuse them they give good service.

[kz1000st]

For a while, after my wife passed, I was thinking of going after a CF Moto NK650. Then I saw they dropped it to concentrate on ATVs. That was it. An orphan Fashion at least can use a ton of Helix parts but what do you do if an NK 650 breaks? Plus I wasn't going to support CF Moto by buying a bike from them or their dealers. So I bought the old Kawasaki. Just as fast, character up the Wazoo and all the virtues of an old Japanese UJM.