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Post by Bashan on Mar 28, 2014 21:27:09 GMT -6
Here you go Jack, this is the module in question.
I just figured it was some off the wall component and it would be easier to chuck it and rewire the system. But you know how much I like to rip things all to hell and then make a whole new scooter. You know, sometimes it works and then sometimes it just bursts into flames and.........Sabotendar? Sabotendar? Where the hell did he go!? Sabo...don't go. 
This is just my stupid humor Sabo, hang in there, we'll get you fixed up. JR will go to his secret scooter laboratory which he gets to through his chicken coop by pulling this:  while doing this:  . The second one is horrific and you may not want to look and....oh, you already did. Too late, get used to that mental image pal, it ain't coming out of your cranium...ever.
Here's the component plugged into it's connector Jack. I was wondering about the R/R myself because he drew three wires into a "rectifier" and one came out:
Now he's got the one bullet connector which suggests to me that is a trigger wire:
But this is one bizarre system and....Jack, can you put the chicken down long enough to look this up?  For the love of god man stop that! Oh buk buk yourself, we've talked about this. No, I will not put on the chicken suit again...ever! OK, just once more if you'll look up this guy's bike and .....oh my! Buuuuuukkk! I do look hot! 
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Post by JR on Mar 28, 2014 21:52:39 GMT -6
Bashan
I understand Rich and I do believe the unit in the photo is the R/R and not the CDI. I'm looking a the Jog diagram right now and it's a 5-wire CDI, DC fed and dig this when turning the key on you supply 12Vdc and the ground to two terminals of the CDI at the same time. It is not independently grounded.
The second photo plug is 5-wire total but he isn't showing the unit it's plugged into and we know there are lots of 6-pin R/R even on a two stroke. But some of the old Minirelli's had 6-pin CDI's with two ground wires going to them. |
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Post by Alleyoop on Mar 28, 2014 22:01:03 GMT -6
Ok SABA, look for another square box with wires going into it and out of it, it may have FINS on it for cooling. Like this: Alleyoop  |
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Post by Bashan on Mar 29, 2014 0:34:49 GMT -6
And no comments on this stuff?
Sabo, I'm winking at you......you can't ignore me....wink...wink...hey Brazil...winky.
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Post by sabotendar on Mar 29, 2014 5:52:37 GMT -6
Ok here the news: I do what Alley and Jhon says and test Black/Yellow wire turn on the key and start the engine and guess what? 12.5V~16.0V on that wire and multimeter set to DC so i test that fuse and he is good but the wires from fuse do not connect with CDI i not able to find continuit on any wire came from CDI with the key on or off position. On the great google i find a tutorial on how to test the ignition coil and more surprise! The ign. coil is broken too so i replace with one from Honda Biz 100 and test again now i have spark (a yellow spark) came from the new ign. coil so i think that damn CDI is good like lanternscooter say. All the tests i make with my old and broken carburator here some pics above, ok the engine has a strong smell of gas so i think the engine may be drowned by the faulty carburator, i open the air filter and guess what? NO FILTER inside this mess is become interesting ;-) So about the CDI, i have litle hope he has like the JOG 50´s but is the same problem to find a new one here in Brazil and the colors of wires has diferent. Here the link for one of that: produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-546065648-m151-peca-yamaha-cy-50-jog-e-bws-cdi-original-_JM I can not be able to open the fan case because i arrive too late on my home but if your guys want i will open today when i come back to home. I not mention one thing! This scoot IS a Kasinski Prima 50cc here in Brazil but on the CVT case is marked whit HYOSUNG this helps whit anything? Here some pics:  "Maybe" a faulty carburator?  I open all the pices of he and clean but nothing happens here is the picture he after the cleanup process.  This is the faulty ign. coil and a faul spark plug too.  Just to complement: i put A new NGK spark, a new Ign. Coil and and a new battery but i want to change the CDI for a modern one anyway... Hey you are a funny man but my comunication with you guys is limited to my work, because my home PC is broken this end of week i will fix this :-) Today i will stay here until 16:00 PM. Guys do not now what to say to you about all support and antention that you give me on this journey...so i like say thanks one more time S2 |
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Post by Bashan on Mar 29, 2014 10:02:45 GMT -6
Hey, Jack, can I look at that diagram? Sabo, what they are trying to get across is that there is USUALLY a CDI and a separate regulator/rectifier. The two ground configuration that Jack mentioned is unusual to say the least so this will be fun. The carb? I'm afraid I'm going to toss to Alley and Jack on that, my experience with 2T is my weedeater and I hate it. It is evil. Please tell my wife I'm a funny man because she thinks I'm ridiculous. Hey Sabo.......
Winky.
Also, you're a nice guy and you're very welcome. Rich
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Post by sabotendar on Mar 29, 2014 10:56:30 GMT -6
Hey, Jack, can I look at that diagram? Sabo, what they are trying to get across is that there is USUALLY a CDI and a separate regulator/rectifier. The two ground configuration that Jack mentioned is unusual to say the least so this will be fun. The carb? I'm afraid I'm going to toss to Alley and Jack on that, my experience with 2T is my weedeater and I hate it. It is evil. Please tell my wife I'm a funny man because she thinks I'm ridiculous. Hey Sabo.......
Winky.
Also, you're a nice guy and you're very welcome. Rich
We are at the same side bro! My wife thinks the same about me  . Ok now about te carb. i have not given up yet and it also does not have many hopes the only thing i like to know about this carb. is how the electronic throttle works i test the wires came the there and, believe or not, have read no voltage so i presume he has drowning the scooter i can do a new 12v line to electronic throttle but it will work alone? About the CDI a JOG 50´s is the best choise but again is pain in head to find a new here...let´s see what happens and what the eletronics gurus have to say about that... Thanks, Sabotendar. |
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Post by JR on Mar 29, 2014 11:46:05 GMT -6
Oh ho ho! I've been looking at a Hyosung scooter! Let me do some studying guys, now I've got some more ammo and this will tell me where to go.
Hey Rich look at the JOG 50 service manual in the Yamaha section, if you don't have it I'll shoot it this way but I'm going up the Hyosung route now they are very similar.
Also Rich if you look at the link he posted on the JOG CDI you see 5-wire, I'm telling you the 6-wire unit has pictured is the R/R?
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Post by JR on Mar 29, 2014 11:47:24 GMT -6
Ok here the news: I do what Alley and Jhon says and test Black/Yellow wire turn on the key and start the engine and guess what? 12.5V~16.0V on that wire and multimeter set to DC so i test that fuse and he is good but the wires from fuse do not connect with CDI i not able to find continuit on any wire came from CDI with the key on or off position. On the great google i find a tutorial on how to test the ignition coil and more surprise! The ign. coil is broken too so i replace with one from Honda Biz 100 and test again now i have spark (a yellow spark) came from the new ign. coil so i think that damn CDI is good like lanternscooter say. All the tests i make with my old and broken carburator here some pics above, ok the engine has a strong smell of gas so i think the engine may be drowned by the faulty carburator, i open the air filter and guess what? NO FILTER inside this mess is become interesting ;-) So about the CDI, i have litle hope he has like the JOG 50´s but is the same problem to find a new one here in Brazil and the colors of wires has diferent. Here the link for one of that: produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-546065648-m151-peca-yamaha-cy-50-jog-e-bws-cdi-original-_JM I can not be able to open the fan case because i arrive too late on my home but if your guys want i will open today when i come back to home. I not mention one thing! This scoot IS a Kasinski Prima 50cc here in Brazil but on the CVT case is marked whit HYOSUNG this helps whit anything? Here some pics: "Maybe" a faulty carburator? I open all the pices of he and clean but nothing happens here is the picture he after the cleanup process. This is the faulty ign. coil and a faul spark plug too. Just to complement: i put A new NGK spark, a new Ign. Coil and and a new battery but i want to change the CDI for a modern one anyway... Hey you are a funny man but my comunication with you guys is limited to my work, because my home PC is broken this end of week i will fix this :-) Today i will stay here until 16:00 PM. Guys do not now what to say to you about all support and antention that you give me on this journey...so i like say thanks one more time S2 They are a dime a dozen on Ebay. |
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Post by Alleyoop on Mar 29, 2014 15:59:10 GMT -6
Here is your carb: Alleyoop To adjust the carb start the motor and then Turn the FUEL RATIO SCREW CLOCKWISE 1/4 at a time to cut off some fuel. What you want is to get the HIGHEST IDLE when you adjust that screw. IF after you adjust it to get the highest idle it is idleing to HIGH then turn the IDLE SPEED screw COUNTER CLOCKWISE to lower the IDLE.  |
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Post by sabotendar on Mar 29, 2014 17:07:20 GMT -6
Here is your carb: Alleyoop To adjust the carb start the motor and then Turn the FUEL RATIO SCREW CLOCKWISE 1/4 at a time to cut off some fuel. What you want is to get the HIGHEST IDLE when you adjust that screw. IF after you adjust it to get the highest idle it is idleing to HIGH then turn the IDLE SPEED screw COUNTER CLOCKWISE to lower the IDLE. This IS the great problem the motor not start for nothing in this world the gás tank is full and some times apear that motor will start but dont the fuel reach on the carburador but nothing before this i put a new filter and nothing. Hey what happens if i shut off the enricher? |
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Post by sabotendar on Mar 29, 2014 17:14:10 GMT -6
Ok here the news: I do what Alley and Jhon says and test Black/Yellow wire turn on the key and start the engine and guess what? 12.5V~16.0V on that wire and multimeter set to DC so i test that fuse and he is good but the wires from fuse do not connect with CDI i not able to find continuit on any wire came from CDI with the key on or off position. On the great google i find a tutorial on how to test the ignition coil and more surprise! The ign. coil is broken too so i replace with one from Honda Biz 100 and test again now i have spark (a yellow spark) came from the new ign. coil so i think that damn CDI is good like lanternscooter say. All the tests i make with my old and broken carburator here some pics above, ok the engine has a strong smell of gas so i think the engine may be drowned by the faulty carburator, i open the air filter and guess what? NO FILTER inside this mess is become interesting ;-) So about the CDI, i have litle hope he has like the JOG 50´s but is the same problem to find a new one here in Brazil and the colors of wires has diferent. Here the link for one of that: produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-546065648-m151-peca-yamaha-cy-50-jog-e-bws-cdi-original-_JM I can not be able to open the fan case because i arrive too late on my home but if your guys want i will open today when i come back to home. I not mention one thing! This scoot IS a Kasinski Prima 50cc here in Brazil but on the CVT case is marked whit HYOSUNG this helps whit anything? Here some pics: "Maybe" a faulty carburator? I open all the pices of he and clean but nothing happens here is the picture he after the cleanup process. This is the faulty ign. coil and a faul spark plug too. Just to complement: i put A new NGK spark, a new Ign. Coil and and a new battery but i want to change the CDI for a modern one anyway... Hey you are a funny man but my comunication with you guys is limited to my work, because my home PC is broken this end of week i will fix this :-) Today i will stay here until 16:00 PM. Guys do not now what to say to you about all support and antention that you give me on this journey...so i like say thanks one more time S2 They are a dime a dozen on Ebay. The problem here in Brasil is the imported products when he arrives here the price i pay for he will be sixty or seventy more of the price sold in USA. This is the politics of my beaultifull country. |
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Post by Alleyoop on Mar 29, 2014 17:16:20 GMT -6
Do you have a PETCOCK on it or just a fuel hose from the gas tank to the Fuel Filter and to the carb?
If you have a petcock on it it needs VACUUM to open and allow fuel to flow to the carb and fill it up. Can you take some pictures of the fuel hose from the tank and all the way to the carb.
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Post by sabotendar on Mar 29, 2014 17:56:25 GMT -6
Do you have a PETCOCK on it or just a fuel hose from the gas tank to the Fuel Filter and to the carb? If you have a petcock on it it needs VACUUM to open and allow fuel to flow to the carb and fill it up. Can you take some pictures of the fuel hose from the tank and all the way to the carb. Alleyoop Here some more pics and a "panoramic" shot for Alleyoop don´t be afraid of this mess on wires i will remake when the scoot work        |
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Post by Bashan on Mar 29, 2014 19:14:23 GMT -6
OK, Jack, I'll go look at that. OK guys, is that a vacuum fuel pump? And Sabo, you do not have an electronic throttle control, it is manual via a throttle cable. That is an auto coke...I think...that is one weird arse system bud. We'll get there. Don't worry, we'll get this together by your wife's birthday. Did he tell you guy's that? We're doing this for his present to his wife in a month...it's a surprise too, very sweet! She's not reading this is she Sabo? NO? Well then.... winky winky
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. Ok now about te carb. i have not given up yet and it also does not have many hopes the only thing i like to know about this carb. is how the electronic throttle works i test the wires came the there and, believe or not, have read no voltage so i presume he has drowning the scooter i can do a new 12v line to electronic throttle but it will work alone?