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Post by w650 on Mar 27, 2015 12:48:37 GMT -6
I heard all the warnings in 2008. "Change all your hoses, change your tire valves, retighten every bolts and nut on the machine, change the tires, change the spark plug, blah, blah, blah. You know what I did do? Re-tighten the bolts when I saw them coming loose. Almost seven years now and I'm still on the original hoses, tire valves (Armor All once a year people) and front tire. Heck even the original brake fluid. I'm not making my experience up. The horror stories, which I think are ridiculous, are dated from 2006 if you check out the publication dates. PLUS!!!!!! I still say 90% of the problems with China scooters are the owners. Most of the people who wrote those "Horror Stories" never owned a two wheeled vehicle in their life, didn't bother to check anything out of the crate and put them together with Channellocks and a hammer. Then took them out on the Freeway and ran the crap out of them. I went out yesterday to start the 150 after sitting for a month in sub 30* temps in the garage. It fired right up and settled into a steady idle. Not bad for a six and a half year old POS with 8700 miles.
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Post by w650 on Mar 27, 2015 7:32:02 GMT -6
So the engine is a proprietary design? I guess a 125 can survive with a 50cc mount but I'm thinking it's on top of a 150 GY6 for a reason.
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by: w650 - Mar 26, 2015 16:49:48 GMT -6
Post by w650 on Mar 26, 2015 16:49:48 GMT -6
Be careful what you speak of. Those Znen electronics might just be in there next.
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Post by w650 on Mar 26, 2015 14:59:43 GMT -6
Thank heavens he has a quality Znen built scooter around to borrow parts from.
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Post by w650 on Mar 26, 2015 10:50:18 GMT -6
You and me both Borg. I'm seeing cheap 250 dual sports online and used Japanese bikes on Craigslist. I started using the wife's bike last summer, while she's battling, to keep the dust off it. It's stirred the urge again. I never should have sold the W650.
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Post by w650 on Mar 24, 2015 17:43:40 GMT -6
You have big shoes to fill Rich. Lance just posted a picture of a 2009 Cali Classic in California on Facebook that has 30,000 miles. I hope yours gets there too.
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Post by w650 on Mar 24, 2015 11:06:56 GMT -6
Chinese scooters aren't being pursued as being "Unsafe" for two reasons. One, what two wheeled vehicle is safe? Two, because over 90% of the problems are owner inflicted. I heard all the warnings in 2008. "Change all your hoses, change your tire valves, retighten every bolts and nut on the machine, change the tires, change the spark plug, blah, blah, blah. You know what I did do? Re-tighten the bolts when I saw them coming loose. Almost seven years now and I'm still on the original hoses, tire valves (Armor All once a year people) and front tire. Heck even the original brake fluid.
Good owners, good results. Bad owners,.......you figure it out. My instructions from GS Motorworks read like this. "Failure to have this vehicle inspected and assembled by a professional service facility will void any warranties written or implied" I did my own work understanding that stipulation. They still warrantied the scooter when a problem arose but they didn't have to. All online sellers include the same proviso. The Government can read.
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Post by w650 on Mar 24, 2015 6:44:47 GMT -6
Used properly a Chinese scooter DOES last. Here's a little picture to support my hypothesis. The odometer is from a Bintelli 50cc, in miles, from Tallahassee, Florida. I got it from Bintelli's Facebook page. The owner bought the scooter less than a year ago. Not to light anyone's fuse, but this Znen is running like a clock and probably has more miles on it since the photo was taken.
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Post by w650 on Mar 24, 2015 6:35:09 GMT -6
At first I had little confidence in it (all of the horror stories stuck in my head), but as the miles added up, the confidence started to build too. Now, after 3 years, and no break downs, I have complete trust in it. Scooter is pretty much stock, all electrics are original, (except battery, replaced after 2 years & 3 months...and spark plug boot, replaced 2 days ago due to deteriorating rubber). I don't flog the scoot, nor do I go out in bad weather.....I ride it like a scooter...cheap, basic transportation....it is what it is. If 40 or 45 isn't fast enough to get me where I want or need to go, I won't take the scooter....I opt for one of my German made 1200cc bikes. So, 5,800 miles, zero breakdowns, replacement parts so far, variator weights, air filter, and drive belt. All because I desired to, not because I needed to. Oh, and that battery...I did need to replace that. I have complete confidence in it, and would drive anywhere as long as I don't have to maintain highway speeds, to stay alive. This is the entire story in a nutshell. It's why RKS and I have had such "Good Luck" with our scooters. A 150cc China scooter is only built to withstand all day at 45mph. You are paying for the ability to go faster, longer on a high end scooter. Smart use and understanding what you ride counts for everything.
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by: w650 - Mar 23, 2015 13:27:38 GMT -6
Post by w650 on Mar 23, 2015 13:27:38 GMT -6
Hmmm. Maybe getting rid of the Puma is a tad premature.
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by: w650 - Mar 23, 2015 12:12:57 GMT -6
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by: w650 - Mar 21, 2015 15:25:04 GMT -6
Post by w650 on Mar 21, 2015 15:25:04 GMT -6
At the same time I bought the replacement Chinese shaft I also bought an OEM Honda clutch shaft. If it breaks that I'm giving up. It's really pretty, all heat treated and polished up nice. It cost me over $70 with shipping compared to the $35 I spent on the China shaft. Relax Rich. I was just asking about the coil. I'm sure the SYM will serve you well. I do think you should see this though. Here's a Kymco that's about to go on the chopping block. www.2smallerwheels.blogspot.com/2015/03/dont-tell-kimmie-but.html
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by: w650 - Mar 21, 2015 14:05:42 GMT -6
Post by w650 on Mar 21, 2015 14:05:42 GMT -6
Thanks for the thought Jack and believe it or not I took your advice on that. I stocked up on brake pads and brake shoes in case CF Moto does stop selling parts. I'd like to believe that the CN 250 will be in production for awhile, or at least until I lose interest, and Partsforscooters and Scrappy stock those parts.
I guess we'll have to disagree on good maintenance though. If you twist the life out of an engine like some people do, all the valve adjustments and oil changes in the world won't save it. I'm sure Rich was religious with his maintenance of his CF Motos but it didn't save them.
Old Motorcycle riders all live by the dictum "Rev lower, live longer." So far it's worked on everything I've owned.
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by: w650 - Mar 21, 2015 11:34:35 GMT -6
Post by w650 on Mar 21, 2015 11:34:35 GMT -6
Not a gouge Rich, but what I meant about the Vulcan, or any motorcycle, is that if you redline every gear to get to cruising speed the engine will be toast sooner than later. As for the Lance. I'm not convinced. While I was lurking at Modern Vespa I learned something interesting about VIN numbers. A Zongshen built Piaggio Fly 150 has a VIN number starting with ZAP the Italian WMI. Lurking around the 8th or 9th decimal in that VIN is a "1" or a "2". If it says 1 it's a Piaggio built in Italy. If it says 2 it's a Chinese plant model. Now really Rich do you think that they ship Knockdown kits all the way to China from Italy for a $3000 scooter? Dubious. My information says the frame and other stuff is Chinese made with a Leader engine coming from Taiwan. Did you know that a Lance comes with an "R" VIN designating it's a Taiwanese scooter? I have my doubts that SYM ships knockdown kits to their Chinese plants too. It takes a lot of space to build an entire scooter pieces and then ship it to an assembly plant, and makes even less sense when the raw materials for a Taiwan built scoot probably come from the People's Republic to start with. Taiwan is a small island and I'm sure Bauxite mines are in very short supply, along with iron mines for steel production. Also with my free time away from here I've observed the growth of this. www.killermotorsports.com/Pit_Bikes_Cheap_Pit_Bike_SSR_Pit_Bike_Pitster_Pro_s/393.htmSay you were me Rich and you had $1300to spend on two wheels? Would it be this? www.killermotorsports.com/RPS_250cc_Hawk_Enduro_Dirt_Bike_p/rps1-250-hawk.htmor this? www.killermotorsports.com/Peace_150cc_GT_S_Gas_Scooter_Moped_p/pe1-tpgs-828.htmI've had better than fabulous results from Rocket (my 50cc Cub Clone) with zero breakdowns. It tells me that Chinese motorcycles are a solid investment. P.S. Rich. Nobody hopes that the Lance is a huge success for you. I'm rooting for everything that doesn't say "Made in...Italy, Japan or Germany" on it. I also think Bintelli and Wolf scooters are diamonds in the rough that will be changing the minds of people about Chinese scooters. In closing, a question? I hear a high intensity stator was installed in Sue's scoot. Was the coil stock or aftermarket?
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Post by w650 on Mar 21, 2015 5:10:01 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Lance PCH 125 made in SYM's China plant? Yes, it has a ceramic cylinder in its GY6 engine but it's made with basically the same stuff as your Puma. Chinese electrics, Chinese metal and Chinese rubber hoses. The same as an SYM Mio and Fiddle II. Here's how it goes. Any machine that gets flogged on a daily basis will blow up. It's just a case of how far down the road per dollar spent. A flogged China scoot will pop at less than 10,000 abused, I'm betting a certain SYM Citicom will start having its issues at 20,000 or so. Beat on a Japanese scooter and you're probably talking 35,000 before it falls apart. As I've wandered the web since my departure here I've hung at Modern Vespa. Cooked pistons, dropped valves and an assortment of electrical issues on their $8000 wonder scoots. One guy didn't even make it home before the 250 Vespa seized. An out of round piston from the factory was the fault. Nobody should count their chickens before they're hatched. How you use something counts for everything. Except for a BROKEN CLUTCH SHAFT (OK Jack? There's the admission ) my CF Moto Fashion, the same as Rich's has 10,500 miles of sterling performance on it. My Bashan has almost 9,000 miles and runs like a top. Here's the difference. I know that anything will last at 75% of an engine's revs. Climb into the 90% range and engine death is just a matter of time. Even on a Kawasaki 1500 Vulcan.
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