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Post by bobf on Apr 22, 2016 7:32:12 GMT -6
Thanks again Alleyoop. I think I have one of those types of wrenches in my possession, if I have not given it to my son or daughter in recent years. Will have to look for it soon.
Once the engine is warmed up it runs so much slower. What causes the engine to run so fast when cold. That is the thing that concerns me and would like to control those cold moments or so when it runs at 3,000rpm for a while than starts to slow down. Could that be because of the starting enrichment valve in the carb? Should that be replaced to get slower starting speeds?
Will likely need to remove the carb if I need to remove a cap over the screw so I can use a screw driver to adjust. Just projecting some of the ills of trying to fix this engine.
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Post by bobf on Apr 21, 2016 19:46:42 GMT -6
Thanks Alleyoop. Your last idea worked OK. I was looking for something more local so I would not get the entire thread and just the parts I might have highlighted and ordered printed. For this situation it worked fine as the thread was actually limited to the topic.
Now I will need to take some time and get the job done. Not sure when, but hoping soon. Not sure how I will be able to adjust that screw with the air intake tube still on and in place. I will have to go back and review some of the other notes you sent me. Something about loosening the carb clamps and rotating the carb a bit so turning that screw could happen.
Thanks for your help.
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Post by bobf on Apr 21, 2016 18:19:14 GMT -6
Best tell me how. Each time I try to find a print command I get told 'Function disabled etc.' So if there is a way to print from this file I would appreciate some education for sure.
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Post by bobf on Apr 21, 2016 15:20:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the detail. I will have to write some of that off on to a tablet for reference. At my age, 83, memory is not very good. So I will copy some of the details for my use.
Too bad I can't just print it off.
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Post by bobf on Apr 21, 2016 10:10:48 GMT -6
Question about the screw to adjust on the carb. I am using the Honda instruction manual for the 250cc engine published in 1993.
In it it speaks of the 'pilot screw adjustment' and says -
"*The pilot screw is factory set and no adjustment is necessary unless the pilot screw is replaced (page 4-7).
*Use a tachometer with graduations of 100rpm or smaller that will accurately indicate a 100 rpm change."
I sure don't think our dash tach would do very well. And I don't have a tach otherwise.
Right now when I do a cold start the engine will run up into the 3,000 range for a minute or so and then start dropping down slowly till it ends up in the 1,000 to 1,500 range.
Just not sure what next to do. That extra fast start up doesn't last too long but it sure does seem to be a possible problem for those on the ground starts. A runaway bike seems to be the threat.
Has the limiter cap been moved somehow? Or am I looking at the wrong screw?
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Post by bobf on Apr 21, 2016 7:14:50 GMT -6
Leaking follow up. Finally have found the location of the leak. It was not the drain plug as I suspected. I have spent plenty of time chasing this leak and was using mirrors and flash lights to finally find the cause. It was leaking from around the hose connection above the water pump. The water would travel along the casting and actually gather and drip from the drain plug area. The hose clamp on the hose end had broken and loosened allowing some water to escape while still looking like a clamp in place doing its job. It would start leaking as the internal pressure built and forced coolant to leak.
Put a new clamp on that hose and now all is dry again.
So some time was lost waiting for different repairs to the water pump cover and drain plug screw to take place and cure between efforts.
More adjustments needed to control idle. Will start with the reset of idle by readjusting the screw on the carb and then trying to reset the idle speed.
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Post by bobf on Apr 17, 2016 18:59:46 GMT -6
Why not have teeth on both stationary and movable sides of the pliers? Also must have them set up to where you are pulling the stationary side and not pushing it.
Also, you might just try some SAE sockets to see if one will fit tight enough to do the job.
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Post by bobf on Apr 17, 2016 9:17:32 GMT -6
I have good sensors in the radiator and also the thermostat is good. I did a continuity from the temp gauge back to the sensor near the thermostat. Line checks out to be OK. So I guess that means the sensor by the thermostat must be bad or the temp gauge is not working, I think. I have one of those sensors so will try that next. ADD ON - just installed small sensor near the thermostat and used water pump gasket stuff to seal it. Tomorrow morning I will add coolant.
Can't run the engine till I get the coolant back into the engine. Just finished another repair by putting Helicoil into the right crankcase housing for the top left bolt on the water pump cover. Same strip out of threads on the new casting as I had on the original casting.
I still had dripping on the repair so I have now added gasket material to the lower right screw which is also the drain screw. It has always leaked since I first took it off last summer. Now I hope it will hold the water in.
Sometime next week I will be able to comment about the leak, fixed or not.
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Post by bobf on Apr 3, 2016 12:43:17 GMT -6
Thanks. Ordered.
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Post by bobf on Apr 3, 2016 11:08:02 GMT -6
Now that it appears my efforts to end leaking and finish the crankcase repair has happened OK, I will bring up other concerns as I attempt to put it all back together and get it ride able again.
First is the problem of the temp gauge that does not seem to do anything. I may have to take off the front cover once again to check it out. Where does the signal come from and how best to trace the signal to find the problem.
I looked in the Honda engine manual but not much said about this situation. I never got a decent manual with my new scooter. The book I got was for a 150cc scoot. So any help will be appreciated.
As I reassemble I may find more things just not working either.
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Post by bobf on Apr 2, 2016 19:36:36 GMT -6
Twice today I ran the engine for a long spell. Got it up to heat with the coolant fan coming on. Then let it cool down to room temperature. Twice. Still no leaks.
Tomorrow run it again at least a couple times and hope no leaking begins.
If it stays dry I will then do the adjustments for idle and make sure all seems to be working in the following days. Once satisfied I will start putting body and floorboard panels on and hopefully in not too long a time have it ready for a test run.
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Post by bobf on Apr 2, 2016 6:55:27 GMT -6
I have reassembled and today I will slowly add oil and coolant while watching for leaks. Maybe later today I will be able to try a restart.
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Post by bobf on Mar 28, 2016 19:43:53 GMT -6
Yes I will. It will be a bit before I can get back on it. I need to connect the rear latch completely and turn the side latch around before pulling on in. Hi Bob! Got any more good threads I should look at? I can just ask Alleyoop. Not a one. If you don't want what I have then you will be working for Alleyoop and his guidance. I thought you were wanting to follow the style used on my machine. Yours is a newer machine so I don't know if what I have is what you need. Didn't Alleyoop give you a link to my setup earlier in this thread? That is the only postings I did for my seat latch.
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Post by bobf on Mar 28, 2016 16:17:53 GMT -6
Hello Bob####'s. Look at the two cables of the photo above in reply #31. The top cable comes from the side panel key lock/unlock. The bottom cable goes to the rear latch.
If using a different cable scheme, I have no idea at all.
The other Bob
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Post by bobf on Mar 27, 2016 9:55:38 GMT -6
One question to any that have done this job on their scoots. I have the parts on the inside of the right side crankcase cover and am about to install the center seal over the bearings. The instructions say to "apply 'sealant' to the outer surface of a new mechanical seal. Drive the new seal into the cover."
What have you folks used as successful seals if you have done this job earlier. When I tore this part down I only remember a clear type of seal. When I look for sealants I find various names and colors from black, grey, brown, whatever. Some say dries hard and others say stays soft.
I have used water pump sealer earlier but not sure if that is the proper item to use.
Suggestions and ideas are welcome. I will then consider and use what sounds reasonable to me.
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