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Post by czmdiver on Oct 6, 2017 8:14:31 GMT -6
I had a strong suspicion she had Scuffed a Piston. Even tho the rings are not stuck they have Collapsed a percentage and are no longer good, don't re-use them. Most often cause of a Four Corner Seizure is too Fast of a Warm up, simply the Piston expands Faster than the Cylinder. #2 reason is your Lean or may have a Air Leak that is most often a Crank seal. Two Smokers are just not as forgiving as a four strokes that are running in a Bath of Oil with a Power Stroke every other stroke. Im anal on two stroke warm up along with Two Stroke Pre-Mix oils... Thank you very much for the pictures and keep us updated of your fix Good Luck
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by: czmdiver - Oct 2, 2017 5:41:45 GMT -6
Post by czmdiver on Oct 2, 2017 5:41:45 GMT -6
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by: czmdiver - Oct 2, 2017 5:37:02 GMT -6
Post by czmdiver on Oct 2, 2017 5:37:02 GMT -6
Slow down some. First go get some Simple Green or Gunk and De-Grease the entire engine before taking anything apart. Next go to the auto parts store and most will have tools to use for free and get a Compression tester to confirm your Motor is Clapped out. To my knowledge you still haven't performed a Valve Lash check or adjustment, correct? Really need to conquer simple tune up type work with success like your jetting and valve adjustments before your jumping into tearing the engine apart to install a BBK. If you do most likely you will end up with something that will Not run at all, many because of complete lack of experience miss the most basic of problems to overcome. Good luck. Thank you for the Info, Once I get the throttle cable replaced I will try to do all of this in a timely manor. I will attempt to take the plastic off the outside of the engine as well during cleaning. This should help tell me if the gaskets are blown half out 'Decade old Chinese gaskets'. If that's real obvious I will order a gasket kit and go to town on the scooter, then save the compression test for latter after that, I will also adjust the valves once if the gasket on the block is damaged. 'Just a thought is it possible to use something like lucas oil to temporarily seal the bad areas of the gaskets?' Is a compression tester cheap? will they typically have one I can borrow for usage in the parking lot? I will check around, Maybe see if theres a nice cheap one I can buy from china, lol.. [Still quoting] Lets do this in proper order and one step at a time for best results. Do the Compression test First before attempting to replace any gaskets, be crazy to take the top of the motor apart then put it back together to then check compression. You don't want to go through all that work to find out the Motor is Clapped out in the end and you wasted your time and money. Make sure you use the Compression gauge correctly or you will get a False reading.. Im darn near sure most Auto Part chain stores have a compression tester to use, they could range in price from $25 to more than $60. Try Harbor Freight tools, You will also need feeler gauges and a torque wrench to do anything on your Scoot. I again advise to go slow and caution, you state you know nothing of motors and were afraid at the Valve adjustment, there No shame in that, some may just not ever have the aptitude for theses things and thats fine. There are very good tutorials on this board and several on you tube demonstrating correct procedure.I would strongly advise to spend allot of time watching them. And No there is no Mechanic in a can that would seal some weeping gaskets. Good Luck..
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by: czmdiver - Oct 1, 2017 21:58:03 GMT -6
Post by czmdiver on Oct 1, 2017 21:58:03 GMT -6
How did the increase in HP make the rear wheel turn faster? Voodoo magic. Oh I see it the Voodooo that Youdooo. So again with your gain in hp how did that make the rear wheel turn faster?
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Post by czmdiver on Oct 1, 2017 19:18:10 GMT -6
Grandfather, was a small engine mechanic for some years amongst other things. He had rebuilt engines well past my years that still ran like a top after his death. Can't say of the benefits because I've never two of anything to do a control with measurements or had to rebuild anything I've done but I'll take my chances. Well then Ill help ya out. First I'm not here to impress or put down anyone, I very much enjoy helping in my area's of expertise,and expertise I have. formely schooled, dues paid as a technician from small engine thru gas and Diesel, Perkins and IH were my specialties along with both Eaton and Vickers Hydraulics Motors and Pumps, Kart champ, drag race, mx, blah, blah, blah Not much of a living being a grease monkey so its were it was at was a Manufacture in Motorsports. A very high end piston company, product development, field engineering, national race support. You see those guys at the races in the garages standing around the car, bike, boat, whatever with those cool shirts on? Im one of those guys, I travel providing both technical and sales seminars of my product to various distributors sales teams. I teach it. When you pick up the installation instructions, mostly likely I wrote those are had a part in those, so ya I write the Book. I could spend weeks on just one products to improve ring seal. I eat sleep and breath, rings types, Cylinder compositions, many different turned shapes of the piston, Ring land flatness,radial depth blah, blah again. So too adding any type of oil to the gas for any reason. here are the facts. Weither its a 09 Don Deere or your late model Scoot adding oil of any kind to your fuel will Guarantee a percentage of Cylinder Glaze, that leads to a percentage of Ring Seal loss, yes it will start and run ok but will never be what It could be if you hadn't done that, the only cure is to remove the Cylinder and Brake the Glaze with a Nylon Flex Brush Hone and Install new Rings. Here is something else even worse that you are doing doing oil to gas on a Fixed Jet carb, and this is Beginner entrance exam for beginner small engine class Groups "A" Room #101, When you add that oil you have now replaced Fuel with oil and Leaned out you Mixture, She will run Hot and on the verge of engine killing Detonation by doing so. You Spark plug will Not show you this because it is showing the Oil you have in your gas. Try going from 50:0-1 to 20:0-1 in a Unforgiving Two Stroke were that Crank is Not running in a bath of oil, She will Seize the Piston in short order by Adding more Oil to the Fixed jet carb, and they bounce around dumbfounded of how with More oil did it Seize. cuz ya replaced Fuel with oil. The whole idea of More and thicker oil for Break in or whatever is severely outdated and flawed, even back in the day with a proper finish on the cylinder, just the wrong direction to go. Nothing short of Barnyard Barbarizim.. If anyone worked for me and did or advocated such thing they would be fired on the spot as they haven't enough smarts to work on a Bicycle. Such practices should stop and surely not be taught again to the unknowing.. Take this with a grain of salt and chalk it up to ya learned something really valuable and laugh off what gramps taught.
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by: czmdiver - Oct 1, 2017 17:04:22 GMT -6
Post by czmdiver on Oct 1, 2017 17:04:22 GMT -6
I'm not going to lie, That's a really nice kit! Mainly because of the price. Is this the kit you ordered? If so what speeds are you averaging? Also thank you for the information on Longbo, I read that somewhere, as well something about low. I figured maybe it was a low end model. But typically Vip model scooters always had better builds so dunno. I easily have the money for it but I want to pay off some credit card debit first :/.
I don't entirely know that much about engines, But I don't have to replace something like a cam shaft with this? Some bearing or anything inside of the engine, lol? Once again thank you! Yes it is the one I got and no didn't replace anything but what comes in the kit minus the valve guide seals because they are fine. As stated though you won't get top speed increases of great deferences but you will get faster to speed with some top end increases. I was getting 46 top before, just got 52 the other day but am still tuning and me and my scoot are both big body models so you should see better gains than I. Do a compression test on it as recommended set the valve lash if it has good compression then order parts accordingly. How did the increase in HP make the rear wheel turn faster?
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by: czmdiver - Oct 1, 2017 8:54:09 GMT -6
Post by czmdiver on Oct 1, 2017 8:54:09 GMT -6
Thank you for the info on the plugs ! Yeah I'm sure I need rings as well, possibly whatever is considered a rebuild. I noticed a lot of oil all over the engine, more like slime. My theory is the actual gaskets at the head, and that's where I might have my true 'power loss'. I just haven't had the time to take off all that plastic :/. I will have to look into the kits, but my engine number is odd, mines a lb1p39qmb. So far qmb parts are interchangeable.. No clue what the L is for Slow down some. First go get some Simple Green or Gunk and De-Grease the entire engine before taking anything apart. Next go to the auto parts store and most will have tools to use for free and get a Compression tester to confirm your Motor is Clapped out. To my knowledge you still haven't performed a Valve Lash check or adjustment, correct? Really need to conquer simple tune up type work with success like your jetting and valve adjustments before your jumping into tearing the engine apart to install a BBK. If you do most likely you will end up with something that will Not run at all, many because of complete lack of experience miss the most basic of problems to overcome. Good luck.
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 28, 2017 20:23:10 GMT -6
Lol.. I'm not good with math, And that's something I am still learning with these these kits as I dont want to end up with what you stated. As for weight, I was told by a mechanic many many years ago and I cant recall how he worded it so I will attempt to put it as he said but go a little far fetched with it. 'If you have a stock 50cc kit that weighs 10 pounds total and the piston is light, And you have 80cc kit that weighs 40 pounds, As well a heavier than normal piston, There is a high chance the 50cc will be faster'. He worded it so much better :/. Maybe you could understand the logic to an extent. Sir, that perfectly fine you don't have a displacement formula as a entry level Scooter. It what I do for a living. I do expect vendors to provide accurate descriptions and specifications of the product the represent and sell.. On the piston Weight, i will keep this simple, anytime we can lighten the Rotating Assembly the Motor will Rev faster but in all reality only slight amounts that you will never feel on a Scooter. Lighter Weight piston Assemblies will proved a slight bump in Peak HP but will Not make your Scooter Go any Faster mph because that is set by the Final Drive gear Ratio and ending with the tire Diameter. You will Only get to the same mph just Faster. You will never get a piston Weight or any other simple specification i.e. ring gap.piston to cylinder clearance, and the Piston in the Picture has a reverse Dish or Dome to try to obtain Stock Compression Ratio so what is it? you will never get any competent information from these Thieves..
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 28, 2017 10:53:14 GMT -6
I put a half tank of 32 to 1 mixed gas and a half tank of straight gas to ease the break in of my Jug and rings. HOLLY SNIT, Who the Heck told you to do such a thing??
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 28, 2017 8:11:52 GMT -6
OK so just got back from riding around. I still haven't beat on it like a rented mule or fine tuned the carb and am currently running half and half 2 stroke gas/regular but got my elusive 50!!! After this tank is finished and adjust it a bit I'll see what else it has to give. What do you mean by "half two stroke gas/regular?
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 28, 2017 7:41:10 GMT -6
I most likely will never understand why anyone deals with these Thieves and Scammers who Flunked Kindergarten math and profit on the ignorance of others. How in the heck is this Thief coming up with "100cc kit"? .7854 X Bore X Bore X Stroke = CC's .7854 X 50 X 50 X 41.4 = 81.288 CC's For Real Displacement. And whats with the 64mm Valves? states Head Assy with 64mm Valves then states18mm Intake then 16mm Exh then 64mm Valves Something or other, what the heck is that supposed to be? is this Combustion chamber Dia.? or ? Also curious why are you asking what the Piston and Head Weights? Im not understanding...
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 22, 2017 18:46:09 GMT -6
The best thing for Cast Iron is Cooking, because it Holds so much Heat, Not ideal for a Motor. Be careful if ya go with the Plated bore if ya wanna scratch around the Ports, the Plating is generally "Flashed" over to Ports to some degree but if ya go past it the combustion gases will get under the plating and it will start to come off. Im surprised on your findings of the Athena product, they are known for high quality product, being a piston guru not to many ways to break the Skirts off a Piston.
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 19, 2017 16:52:56 GMT -6
It is hard to say as I replaced the carb with a performance carb, the gas line, air intake line (to fuel pump), ignition coil, solenoid, spark plug and starter. After I replaced all of that, I started it up and it proceeded to idle, but bog down when I was riding and went above 15 mph. Does that help you at all? Thanks for your help. Ya a whole bunch. Is the Pref, carb the same size as was on there or a bigger carb or? like in "mm" size. Your going to need to look at the Jet #'s on the original carb compared to the new Perf Carb Also you mentioned no jetting changes to the new Perf carb, Looks like with all the changes you made your going have to do some minor jetting/tuning. Should be that big a deal to work thru. Pop the fuel bowl off the original and see were your wert at and go from there. good Luck
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 18, 2017 17:50:47 GMT -6
Hey All, I have restored a 2007 50cc Gy6 Chinese scooter (ROKETA) and it is idling perfect at this point. However, when i take it out and "gun it" to get up speed, it bogs down and eventually kills. Am I flooding it with too much gas? Is there something I should focus my attention on when trying to fix this? The main change I've made lately is going to a performance air filter and removed my old "box on the side" air filter. Does that have anything to do with it? (too much air to gas ratio??) Any help is much appreciated. Read more: scooterdoc.proboards.com/thread/13591/50cc-idles-boggs-goes-mph?page=1#ixzz4t43MtGfqDid the Problem arise immediately after the Intake change?
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Post by czmdiver on Sept 18, 2017 7:37:46 GMT -6
After three days of doing nothing but giggling various unrelated wires for a total of about 10 seconds, the starter motor sprung into life overnight. It has a strong spark but won't start even though I fired start spray down the plug hole. I pulled the cylinder off and it hasn't seized. Be great if you can post some Pictures of your Piston and Cylinder. Did it have enough compression to blow your finger back out the plug hole?
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