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Post by rapidrob on May 20, 2017 21:11:14 GMT -6
The plug is wet. I dare not run the engine on straight gas until I'm sure the oil pump is working. The displacement is just a dab of oil about every ten seconds of the running pump. I cannot find any info on the amount of oil that is to be pumped with the engine running at a set speed. There is a device at the plenum that looks to be some sort of "injector" that I may need to remove and clean that the oil is pumped to.
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Post by rapidrob on May 20, 2017 18:49:18 GMT -6
I spent the last ten hours putting all the parts onto the bike and made adjustments as needed to cables and the carb. I hooked up the oil pump to a drill and ran it until there was oil filling the discharge line to the plenum. That being said, I filled the gas tank with fuel/oil mix just in case. The bike started right up. After it warmed up for a couple of minutes I adjusted the idle. I do not have a tach so I did it by ear. I reved u pthe engine and the muffler did not sound right,more than muffled. The engine bogged down and I goosed it again. The muffler belched out a stream of black goo for about ten feet all over my garage floor. 40 years of who knows what,when warm, left the muffler at high velocity. I ran the bike around my mountain,where on the flats it did about 25. On the hills,not so much. Two hours adjusting the air and throttle stop unit it ran very well,even with the too oil rich fuel. I was so happy the old bike I took it over to the guy who gave it to me and he was glad I was able to get it to run. So much so we had a beer to celebrate. I jumped on the bike to drive home and it wont start. As in after two hours of pharting with it,it will not start or run. Plenty of fuel,hot spark and air. It will not run. Back to the drawing board. And the oil pump is no longer pumping oil to the plenum. A good thing I used a mix,just in case. The spark plug is wet. The carb has to be the fault. Why it will not start again is puzzling. I will take it all apart and try to find why it will not run. The engine was running like a top when I turned it off. Plenty of oil in the mix.
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Post by rapidrob on May 19, 2017 20:37:11 GMT -6
I was given this bike a month ago and have made some progress since then. After sitting for 20 years,the last ten in the sun under a pine tree I had my work cut out for me. The carb had been left with no filter element and unleaded fuel with alcohol in it. The carb was badly plugged which took several hours to clean. Corrosion from the alcohol was fun to remove. I had to test the engine and see if it would run. The speedo show only 460 miles on the bike. The engine has good compression and no wear in on the cylinder walls ( endoscope used). I was able to start the engine by squirting gas/oil mix into the carb ( all fuel/oil line long rotted away) Tank had very slight rust in it. Lots of goo from old gas. I solvent cleaned the tank and them acid treated the insides and all the rust came out. Only problem is the oil tank cap is loose due to the rubber. A new one is hard to find and expensive. I added new fuel/oil lines and an inline filter. Fuel valve is clean and free to turn. Battery is new. I used expanding foam to make a new battery/ignition "tray". Not as nice as Styrofoam from Honda,but it works. All of the control cables were rusted and bound up. Soaking in Kroil freed them all up but their too far gone to be safe. A fellow in England sold me a whole new set of cables made in Japan. All are OEM quality and fit perfectly. Tires were rotten. A real shame as they looked almost new. I got two new tires and inner tubes and put them on the rims. Rims are like new ( very dry here) I had to replace the left hand handle bar switch/brake control as the support for the rear break cable was shattered. Wiring is in very good condition. I was surprised how well it has survived all these years. Every bulb/lamp was burned out. Common problem I'm told. All have been replaced with LED's except the headlight( there isn't one yet,LED) so I got a replaceable bulb type. The plastic parts on this bike are very dry and brittle. I've soaked them in water for a few weeks which seems to have helped. The headlight bezel and bucket were broken but were repaired using JB Weld. The air cleaner housing is beyond hope. I got a clamp on air filter. The kick starter lever would not return by its self. The return spring had jumped the retainer. An interesting repair. NOS Honda seat. I'm slowly putting all the parts back together. I'm hoping to have it on the road soon.
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Post by rapidrob on May 18, 2017 7:28:05 GMT -6
I removed the old bulb from the original headlight only to find the reflective coating on the bezle had flaked off due to moisture in the housing. I was going to buy the newer type headlight and use am LED lamp. I already have gone to the LED for the brake light, high beam and speedo lamp. I was more concerned about the new lamp fitting the headlight bucket.
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Post by rapidrob on May 17, 2017 10:58:26 GMT -6
My headlight is burned out.l I see several for sale with replaceable bulbs that have an increased wattage from 15 to 25. Have any of you bought these new type headlights and had any problems with them? Fit,current draw or switch problems? I could not get the search function to work. Thanks
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Post by rapidrob on May 16, 2017 16:37:19 GMT -6
Yes,normal. What is it with all lights on and engine running at speed?
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Post by rapidrob on May 15, 2017 15:15:35 GMT -6
Shoe-Goo is amazing stuff and can easily peeled off if you do not like it. The problem with most covers are there is is no provision to adsorb shock. I would add a rubber cushion between the cover and the mounting bracket. 1/8-1/4" will do wonders to help dissipate shock. If you do not have room for a shock absorbing spacer, try to find a can of "Vinyl-dip" ,the type you would dip pliers handles into. It dries to a very tough soft plastic covering and will help dissipate shock as well. The coating will last for decades.
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Post by rapidrob on May 10, 2017 9:34:16 GMT -6
I did the ignition coil as well. Everything is now well held and cannot ground out on a bump.
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Post by rapidrob on May 8, 2017 20:38:48 GMT -6
I would like to pass on a trick I was told about today that I tried and it works very well indeed. My Honda NC50 Express carb would not turn off fuel when the bowl was full. No amount of cleaning helped. The needle valve could not stop the flow off fuel. I was told to try a Q-Tip with a mild abrasive compound in a slow drill motor. I tried this using a small dab of Valve Grinding compound. You could use Chrome Polish, Toothpaste or Bar Keepers Friend as a mild abrasive. I 'polished" the valve seat for two seconds.You cannot use too much pressure as the Q-Tip stem will bend and break. In that short period of time the valve seat was shiny and perfect. I washed out the seat with Brake Cleaner. I filled a small gas tank with distilled water and raised it five feet above the carb via a gas line. The bowl filled and shut off perfectly. Problem solved. If you need to clean/re-seat your carb float needle vale,give this a try it really works. It may save you $$$.
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Post by rapidrob on May 7, 2017 14:04:22 GMT -6
If they cannot find you a tank, Harbor Freight sells a plastic welder. This device fuses the plastic back together. If you can get to the crack you can weld it together. Make sure the tank is free of any gas or fumes.No flame is produced,but it is better to be safe.
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Post by rapidrob on May 6, 2017 12:29:37 GMT -6
I wrapped the battery in a plastic bag/tape and smeared silicone grease over the plastic. I set the battery in the "divot" at the rear of the seat stamping and filled around the battery with expanding insulating foam.* I let it set up 24 hours. The battery and plastic/tape slipped right out of the cured foam. The battery is now held well and is padded. I will do the ignition coil next. It is very easy to do. *Any excess foam can be trimmed with a box knife or hot wire cutter.
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Post by rapidrob on May 6, 2017 8:11:25 GMT -6
I was able to contact a vendor in England who sells the proper 38 MM carb. He sent me a link to his USA sales on Ebay. The carb is 16 bucks and bolts right up. He says it is for the NC and NA 50 Express and has had many happy customers.
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Post by rapidrob on May 5, 2017 16:01:07 GMT -6
It has the fixed jet. The float valve will not stop leaking past the seat. I contacted the seller for the China carb link and asked if he will sell in the USA. I'd love to find the 15 buck intake,but I'm not paying 60 bucks plus shipping for a new intake and then an expensive carb. Searching on this site is "interesting" to be sure. I will not be using the bike for everyday travel,just for fun. Thank you so much for the link and info. I do appreciate it.
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Post by rapidrob on May 5, 2017 11:34:45 GMT -6
1978 Honda NC 50 Express needs a new carb. I've seen a Youtube Vid where a guy changes the carb to a Chinese carb,but he never shows you the carb up close nor tells you which one it is. The carb on my bike has mounting holes 38 MM center to center,not 48 mm as the ones on Ebay sell. I rather not have to buy that expensive ,new,air intake and the carb to go wit hit I have seen for sale. I'd rather drill/re-jet a carb to make it work. What are you guys using?
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Post by rapidrob on May 4, 2017 14:15:26 GMT -6
My 1978 Honda NC 50 Express carb will not shut off fuel when filled. I ordered a new float needle valve, a KL 4612 that also included a tiny spring clip(?) The valve it self does not have the same milled portion at the bottom of the valve the old one does and it will not fit into the plastic groove of thee float. The valve did not come with instructions so I had to guess how it was to fit. I may be doing it wrong,or it may be the wrong part altogether. Has anyone replaced their valve with this new type valve and got it to work? Thanks for your help in this matter.
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