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Post by new2scooters on Aug 3, 2012 7:43:21 GMT -6
Recently I had a VERY stuck variator nut. Just wouldn't budge even with an impact wrench, mainly because I couldn't hold the variator flange that has the teeth for the starter on it from turning. Usually I used a strap wrench but this time I didn't have any luck as it just spun inside the wrench. Looking for a different tool I happened upon my Harbor Freight auto oil filter wrench. It has teeth that bite into your filter and makes removal easy. Just by chance, it fit my variators teeth perfectly. I clamped down on it and nut spun right off. Just thought I'd pass this along. Also, HF currently has it on sale. Attachments:
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Post by new2scooters on Aug 1, 2012 6:19:22 GMT -6
Few more bits done, just got to plumb in the light switch and a speedo. What a sharp looking scooter! Fine Job! I'm still getting ideas for my next build and wanted to do something "Cushman" style and you hit the nail on the head with your build.....If possible could you post a close up of the engine hangar? My next build will be with a 150cc engine and my only experience so far has been with my 50cc unit. Thanks for your post. It made my day.
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Post by new2scooters on May 29, 2012 5:38:02 GMT -6
Or the weights are to heavy which will limit the rpms. Alleyoop Thanks Alley and Sprocket Your advice was exactly correct. I just changed the roller weights and went to 5.8 gram from 6.5 and it made a world of difference. It has really helped with the scoots ability to climb hills and engine seems to have more power since it is in the power band.... Thanks again! Bill
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Post by new2scooters on Apr 15, 2012 15:12:21 GMT -6
Or the weights are to heavy which will limit the rpms. Alleyoop Thanks for the reply Alley. I'll add your comment to my list of things to check. Thanks again. Bill
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Post by new2scooters on Apr 15, 2012 15:10:44 GMT -6
There probably isn't a rev limiter if it is a 150cc...but you should be getting power increases from 1/2 to WOT however.. something isn't right maybe the throttle cable needs adjusting? Other thoughts are the pick-up coil is topping out or the CDI maybe getting old and the capacitors aren't charging fast enough anymore... Thanks for the reply. It is appreciated. The CDI came from the JMStar donor scooter and the engine is 50cc. I have ordered a new performance CDI from ScrappyDog Scooters just to have a spare on hand but will install it when it arrives to see if it makes a difference. As for the throttle cable, I just checked and the throttle is rotating all the way to the stop on the carb. Thanks again. Bill
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Post by new2scooters on Apr 15, 2012 12:54:44 GMT -6
Just curious as to what the indications are for a rev limited CDI? Reason I am asking is I have no additional speed gained from 1/2 throttle to full throttle. Even at 1/2 throttle I am pleased with the speed, indicated on speedometer at 50kmh with engine not even laboring nor really reving to any extent, but am just curious if this is an indication of a rev limiter in action. It doesn't spit, cough, misfire, etc.... and seems as if it is just running fine, just no faster.
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Post by new2scooters on Apr 13, 2012 9:39:10 GMT -6
Project update: Scooter is built and ready for the road so I started the process of acquiring a VIN. Since the frame was an "in process" item, no VIN had been issued for it. Michigan has a procedure for this. Basically, it entails extensive documentation for everything used in building the vehicle. Names, addresses, phone numbers, serial numbers, dates, etc....While building this scooter I entered everything I used into a spreadsheet so I had all of this data. All I had to do was make copies of all the receipts and print the spreadsheet. Not all that difficult. Also, a formal on road equipment inspection of the scooter had to be completed by a Michigan police officer. Here, it was verified that there was no VIN on the scooter, lights, horn, turn signals, etc are all verified to be operational and seat to handlebar height was correct. After that was done and the form completed I went to the Sec of States office (who does licensing in MI) and after a thorough examination of my paperwork I was issued a VIN and then proceeded with getting a moped tag for the scooter. It is now legal to drive on the road. A formal VIN tag will be prepared by the Bureau of Records and I will have to bring the scooter in to have the tag installed when notified that it is done. Time frame for this is 6 to 8 weeks but it is legal to ride now. I must give the Jackson, MI Sec of States office credit for making this process painless. They were very helpful and extremely well organized. Thanks for following along on my scooter build journey. Now I am going out to put some miles on the scooter and then on to scooter build #2
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 27, 2012 11:25:12 GMT -6
Yes... you need to machine an aluminum plate to go between the elbow and the engine... I raise it about 3/8" and bevel it to about 10degrees..to make the carb level... Ok, thanks for the info. Sounds simple enough to do. Bill
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 26, 2012 19:56:26 GMT -6
I have reversed the intake elbow so it faces forward... Thanks for the reply. I have seen this done (online pic's) on some scoots. When reversing the intake does it change the angle the carb is mounted at? If so, any problems with flooding/starving? I will keep this idea in mind though.
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 26, 2012 19:46:28 GMT -6
The bolts are in the same plane. You can eyeball through one and the other one is right in line.
There is some play between the tops of the bumpers and the frame stop. This allows for a surprising amount of forward and back movement of the engine as bumper arm rocks. I think this is designed to protect the engine from thrust forces rather than provide part of the suspension.
The mount does interfere with any carb or manifold that extends back farther than a standard GY6 carb. It's a PITA and I'm trying to design something that will allow intake mods without trying to work around it. Rich OK, got it. When you say "some" play, what would be considered a "normal" amount to aim for? (Distance from bumper to stop, unloaded so both bumper distances are the same) As for the carb clearance issue, I can see where this will be a problem and I'll keep it in mind on the next build. Thanks!
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 26, 2012 16:07:07 GMT -6
How heavy are the electric scooter frames? the ones I have seen wouldn't stand up to a 150cc, they are simply too light weight. At any rate plan on double rear shocks. There were a few single shock 150s on the market but they were fairly hairy to ride... The swing arm simply bolts to the engine and has a shock mount and mounts for muffler and disc brakes... What sized wheels? I am confident that the frame will stand up to the stress. These aren't the usual "electric" scoots that I have seen being sold recently. On my first build jct842 brought this subject up so I did the calculations www.scooterdoc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=customscootsmodsetc&action=display&thread=5515&page=1and there actually was more steel cross sectional area in these frames as compared to a gas scoot. There is some real meat on these bones.... The original wheels are 10" but because it will be capable of higher speeds, I feel I may have to go with 12's. Of course 12's bring on their own set of problems as it will mean a "long" gy6 case which will change wheelbase length, etc... so right now I'm just trying to get a grasp on the 150 mounting issues. One bridge at a time..... Thanks for your reply. Bill
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 26, 2012 15:36:51 GMT -6
Oh, I see. Well then, here is the standard GY6 engine mount and how the mounting bolts fit through it:
Here are the bolts:
And then the rubber bumpers work like this:
Rich Thanks for the reply and the photo's. Photo's are worth a thousand words sometimes.... In the picture of the mount assembly are the bolts that go through the bushings and mount to the frame in the same plane, ie, directly across from one another? Without an engine mounted, how much freeplay, if any is in the mount? How much will the mount rotate before contacting the rubber bumpers or are the rubber bumpers in contact with their stop in a static position and thus rely totally on the bumpers compression to provide the needed flex? The part that mounts to the engine "seems" like it would interfere with carb mounting. Do 150's have a higher intake manifold or is it somehow angled to give it clearance? Thanks Bill
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 26, 2012 15:12:00 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken, Bill is talking about putting a 150cc into a frame intended for an electric scooter. So, the kit wouldn't be necessary, because he isn't doing a 50cc to 150cc conversion. Thanks to all who have replied. Yes, runningslow, you are correct. I still have 3 scoots, new, in the shipping box that originally were destined to be electric powered. First of 4 is done, with the exception of acquiring a VIN for it and that process will start later this week. I don't expect any issues with that procedure as it looks straightforward and manageable but you never know.....So I am now contemplating build #2, hence my question on the 150's mount.
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 26, 2012 8:34:15 GMT -6
My 50cc project is nearing completion and I will formally start the VIN application procedure later this week. At this point I'm still contemplating the next build to see where I want to go with it. If anyone here has any photos that could show me how a 150cc engine is mounted and/or the type of swing arm arrangement they use (since they are mounted differently than a 50cc), I would certainly appreciate seeing them and reading any input you may have to offer. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give.
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Post by new2scooters on Mar 20, 2012 18:33:22 GMT -6
We have ignition Mainly the big thing is a squeek coming from the rear of the CVT cover area so will have to get it back up on the bench and dig into that. Project update: I narrowed the squeek to the rear clutch assembly so I pulled the clutch, lubed the needle bearings, shoe pivots, springs, etc hoping it would cure the problem but to no avail....so I purchased a new rear clutch assembly and presto......noise is gone. Problem solved, so something obviously was worn in the original clutch. Been working on the VIN documentation procedure...getting paperwork in order for visit with Secretary of State's office. Should have that completed by next week and will formally start the VIN application procedure. If all goes well, scooter project #2 is awaiting.....
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