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Post by 4950cycle on Feb 6, 2017 12:21:46 GMT -6
JCL MP250A Lihai 257cc powered / I was running an open CVT (no cover). I was doing research on tuning the CVT for optimum performance. BTW, No belt shredding going on. Belt up to width spec. Was keeping to close of an eye on it for any negligence junk to go on. My main question right now was can I pull the variator side crank seal from the outside of the engine with a drilled hole with a screw in the seal with a pair of pliers or simular ? Read more: itistheride.boards.net/thread/10011/oil-blew-all-over-cvt?page=1#ixzz4XvlKUwqU
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Post by 4950cycle on Feb 6, 2017 9:47:32 GMT -6
Where is the crank case vent on this motor ? And thank you both for the good feedback.
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Post by 4950cycle on Feb 4, 2017 15:52:18 GMT -6
JCL MP250A Lihai 257cc powered Just did an oil change on my JCL and made double sure not to over fill it to get that out of the way right off. Went for a quick 5 mile rounder on her and right before I got back to the house I hear a loud hissing sound over the motor sound for about 5 or six seconds then the scooter quit pulling. Oil all over the CVT .Someone please tell me there is a replaceable shaft seal from the outside of the engine under the variator. I have not done a full investigation but I think this is where it is comeing from. Has this ever happened to anyone else ?
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Post by 4950cycle on Feb 4, 2017 9:27:41 GMT -6
Did you get the motor up and running yet Bob123 ? Was it a stock rebuild or were you modding the engine ?
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Post by 4950cycle on Jan 31, 2017 22:39:53 GMT -6
What you said all makes for good logic to me jct .
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Post by 4950cycle on Jan 24, 2017 12:38:59 GMT -6
Great idea jct842. Think I'll do that when I can find a free moment here.
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Post by 4950cycle on Jan 23, 2017 11:06:14 GMT -6
I do know that I had a KZ 650 with stock bore "But" It had a 3/4 cam installed (what ever a 3/4 cam was), jetted, and a Kirker header. And if I remember right some head work done. All the work was done by a professional. I bought the bike that way in a distress sale for $600 back in about 84. It was a 79. Anyway, this bike was one of the baddest arse bikes in Fort Lauderdale at the time. It took a worked up Kawi 900 to take me "not stock, no way". Everyone that liked bikes wanted my bike. Finally someone stole it. Anyway, The moral of the story here is " Breathing, breathing, breathing. Thats what makes noticeable HP. Not fairly small displacement gains. Just like Cyborg has mentioned above. So I certainly agree with you Cyborg. Now ! Where can I find a cam for this thing that will make higher RPM power.
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Post by 4950cycle on Jan 23, 2017 0:23:33 GMT -6
Does that A9 sport spec cam Scrappy offers (out of stock though)fit a 260 Linhai ?
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Post by 4950cycle on Jan 22, 2017 0:52:33 GMT -6
After all this time no one has ever bought and/or installed this rather expensive mod ? I want to buy and install the big bore kit on my JCL MP250A Linhia scooter engine. But I have absolutely no verification how it will effect my performance. It has been quite a while since I've been looking for the elusive person that may have bought one of these. Still no one has one huh ??
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Post by 4950cycle on Nov 17, 2016 22:52:47 GMT -6
You may want to give the Yamaha smax a try as well,,,it's a well sorted scoot (kymco made),,,under 200cc but has a larger frame and has a top speed of 80+mph and is light weight,,,a little pricey but HEY!! Worth every penny in my book Will have to go check that out ! Never even heard of one ?
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Post by 4950cycle on Nov 17, 2016 22:47:18 GMT -6
You won't like a 400cc Yamaha I can positively guarantee that. HAD one did that and got pictures. THE most uncomfortable scooter I have ever rode. I am 6'2 220 and there is no room for me on one. Most uncomfortable for a passenger too, real garbage passenger foot rests and terrible jar when hitting bumps. Both the Chinese 150cc scooter I had and the180cc Riva world's better riding, but neither suitable for riding double. Do as I have done, switch to a dirt bike with street tires. The majesty had more power Than the 250 I ride today but I still can go as fast as I want (they say 80 or more is possible on a klx) the majesty came in at around 450lbs and the klx at 315 or so. I have purposely have laid the klx on its side to replace a spring under the oil filter and picked it back up with no problems. The majesty was never over that far and I know that if it were laid over it would take two of me to pick it up. The ride on the klx is soft and like floating compared to the bump bump of the majesty. When you have close to a foot of suspension you can dial in all 4 shocks any way you want. (8-9 inches!) It seems like you are only leaning about half as far in a turn, and there are well grounded reasons for that. The fatter the front wheel the more you lean. The higher center of gravity the less effort to turn or Lean. Larger wheels also take less to lean. THERE IS A REASON CROTCH ROCKETS HAVE ALMOST AS MUCH GROUND CLEARANCE AS A DIRT BKKE! I still have the Dunlop 606 knobbies on and can feel the vibration and am wanting to get every bit of life out of them before switching to a milder tread. You got me wanting to get a KLX 250 instead of a scooter. I want to get one and lower it, Make the swingarm longer and put a CVT on it. So I can have my cake and eat it too. What is the HP on a Kaw 250 single like yours ?
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Post by 4950cycle on Nov 9, 2016 23:54:39 GMT -6
One of the main reasons I stay with my MP 250 A is I like the way the center of gravity is nice and low. The second reason is the total weight is managable. I would like to graduate to a Yamaha 400 scooter or a Forza to get more performance. But I don't want to get a heavier machine than I have right now. That is why I came to scooters from big 4 cylinder bikes in the first place. There are faster ,lighter scooters but like the Kymco City they are to small for my 6'3 frame. They have no leg room for anyone over 5'9 for God's sake. Does any of you guys an gals know the wet weight of my scooter or a Yama 400 ? Or do you have any Ideas based on what I have said ?
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Post by 4950cycle on Nov 8, 2016 9:30:50 GMT -6
First thing I would look at is the rpm at the top speed you get now. Depending on if it is wound out or not to decide on what weights you have and what you need to go to. If you don't have a tach get one on there. If you are a whole lot under red line you need to go lighter in weights which is what I would suspect. Doubt if you will be happy with a larger carb with out doing other mods to go with it. Jetting is usually all that is needed. JCL MP250A Lihai 257cc powered / This is how it all ended up here. This info is not for a 50cc-150cc scooter. They are a different animal in some ways to the Yamaha 250 / Linhia powered scoots. I have come to the conclusion that my 257cc Linhia will not go any faster on the top end without a meaningful power upgrade. Like a "real" 295 cc (300) cylinder / piston change plus maybe a little upjetting ? It just dosn't have the torque in its present form to go any faster than 68 mph with my 270 lbs , head right up in the wind resistance situation. I don't care what I do to my variator it just can not change this fact. But I have learned a lot about what works and what is a waste of time. #1 Forget about a bigger or a performance carburator if you don't improve your flow in some meaningful way ie: porting your head and exchange some torque for HP , And get an open / noisy exhaust and and lets not forget a performance pod style airfilter, also more noise. Yes , your intake makes noticable noise with no airbox. " It will sound faster " with just a pod airfilter and a more free flowing exhaust, But in reallity the numberes will change no more than slieghtly if at all. But if you are young and like to be noticed this may have some value. #2 Variator changes gave" ME " (big and heavy) no more top speed. But if a rider is much lighter than 270 lbs. this is what you want to do. #1 On the variator improvment, Shorten your variator boss by 1 1/2 mm do not exeed 2 1/2 mm shorter than stock or your belt will almost climb off your variator at top speed. This will allow your variator to reach its full out high gear. In stock form they stop short of this. #2 on the variator improvement, Exchange your 14 gram rollers for 11 gram "sliders" This will give you everything this motor can offer (with the boss mod too) IMO. I have four 12 gram sliders and four 11 gram sliders. This is what I personally want because I am going to get more power in this engine in the near future. But number 2 will keep you in the higher RPM for maximum excelleration and number 1 will give you full top end capibillities. You CAN have the best of both worlds this way. Read more: itistheride.boards.net/thread/9619/mph-more-great-257cc-linhai?page=5#ixzz4PQde3hJC
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Post by 4950cycle on Nov 8, 2016 9:24:49 GMT -6
Well just curious did you get everything going correctly yet? JCL MP250A Lihai 257cc powered / This is how it all ended up here. This info is not for a 50cc-150cc scooter. They are a different animal in some ways to the Yamaha 250 / Linhia powered scoots. I have come to the conclusion that my 257cc Linhia will not go any faster on the top end without a meaningful power upgrade. Like a "real" 295 cc (300) cylinder / piston change plus maybe a little upjetting ? It just dosn't have the torque in its present form to go any faster than 68 mph with my 270 lbs , head right up in the wind resistance situation. I don't care what I do to my variator it just can not change this fact. But I have learned a lot about what works and what is a waste of time. #1 Forget about a bigger or a performance carburator if you don't improve your flow in some meaningful way ie: porting your head and exchange some torque for HP , And get an open / noisy exhaust and and lets not forget a performance pod style airfilter, also more noise. Yes , your intake makes noticable noise with no airbox. " It will sound faster " with just a pod airfilter and a more free flowing exhaust, But in reallity the numberes will change no more than slieghtly if at all. But if you are young and like to be noticed this may have some value. #2 Variator changes gave" ME " (big and heavy) no more top speed. But if a rider is much lighter than 270 lbs. this is what you want to do. #1 On the variator improvment, Shorten your variator boss by 1 1/2 mm do not exeed 2 1/2 mm shorter than stock or your belt will almost climb off your variator at top speed. This will allow your variator to reach its full out high gear. In stock form they stop short of this. #2 on the variator improvement, Exchange your 14 gram rollers for 11 gram "sliders" This will give you everything this motor can offer (with the boss mod too) IMO. I have four 12 gram sliders and four 11 gram sliders. This is what I personally want because I am going to get more power in this engine in the near future. But number 2 will keep you in the higher RPM for maximum excelleration and number 1 will give you full top end capibillities. You CAN have the best of both worlds this way. Read more: itistheride.boards.net/thread/9619/mph-more-great-257cc-linhai?page=5#ixzz4PQde3hJC
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Post by 4950cycle on Nov 1, 2016 21:02:40 GMT -6
Well just curious did you get everything going correctly yet? Its running fine now. The 12 gram DP style sliders are 2 grams per slider less than my stock rollers were. But instead of increasing RPM per speed / mph my RPM decreased ? I was going 67-68 mph with my old 14 gram "rollers" with 6600-6800 rpm . Now with 12 gram "sliders" at 67 mph I'm only revving 6000 RPM ? Thats 500 rpm below my peak HP @ 6500 rpm. I am going to experiment with putting 4 rollers in at 13 grams (I drilled them to 13 grams) each mixed with 4 of my 12 gram siders tomorrow just to see if I can get the best of both worlds ? If I don't gain any RPM I'm prepared to drill one more gram out of my 4 rollers the are 13 grams now.
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