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Post by vintner on Jul 16, 2012 6:28:52 GMT -6
Do you have a volt meter? I suspect a bad connection (12 volt power or fuse related) rather than a failure of one of the other components.
1-Verify the battery voltage. 2-If you have the positive lead on the battery and the negative lead on the frame, do you still have 12 volts or is it negative 12 volts? Most systems (as far as I know) are ground on the frame. This allows you to continue testing with the negative meter lead on the frame or battery. 3-With the key on, check all fuses in place, both sides. If you can get at the wire terminals at the fuses, check them too. I had a fuse that looked good, but one terminal was pushed down so it wasn't making full contact. 4-Check the terminals at or near your major components: starter, ignition coil, gauges, etc.
As you start to narrow down where you do and do not have power, you can start looking for the problem in the circuit. From the description, it is very likely that one bad connection or fuse could be to blame for everything. You just need to start tracing down circuits and power.
This is time consuming, but should work for you.
Good luck.
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Post by vintner on Jul 15, 2012 18:34:48 GMT -6
Sometimes I hate it when I am right.
After reassembly, and a short test ride, I knew it wasn't right.
I stripped it down further and found the bearings out of the race. It is shot. Tomorrow I check shops for a new bearing assembly. Wish me luck.
Any suggestions in Minneapolis?
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Post by vintner on Jul 13, 2012 6:07:34 GMT -6
No.
It is thin because the screws are normally torqued to the manufactures spec that compresses the gasket so it does the proper sealing.
If you are not seeing a break in the gasket, it is doing what it was designed to do, seal the cylinder to the head and provide passage for the coolant. I think pulling off the head was an unnecessary step.
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Post by vintner on Jul 12, 2012 6:24:53 GMT -6
Yup, that was the problem. Well, kind of.
I took some time before I took my wife out for our anniversary dinner and stripped the scooters front end off. I could grab the handlebars and move them and I could see the shaft inside the frame moving.
I removed enough plastic to be able to get tools to the nuts. I loosened the top nut easily (should have been tight against the lower nut) and then tightened the lower nut. As it snugged down, the handlebars lost their wiggle. I secured the top nut tight against the lower nut so hopefully both will hold in place.
By this time I was dripping sweat and needed to get cleaned up for that sushi dinner waiting for us, so the assembly will need to wait until Friday night or more likely Saturday morning. As I drank my saki later that evening, I was confident that the problem had been found and the solution was simple. It was a good night.
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Post by vintner on Jul 11, 2012 12:03:58 GMT -6
I think it must be the bearings or the associated hardware that either has failed or come loose.
I was home at noon. I checked tires earlier today, but did again at noon. I check all hardware on wheels, brakes, etc. All looks to be correct. While standing in front of the scoot, I grabbed the handlebars and I can wiggle the bars back and forth and to the sides.
Now I need to figure out how much or hopefully, how little I need to take apart to do a full diagnosis and repair.
I have checked online scooter parts stores and do find bearings, so at least they are available and there is a bearing store not too far from me, so if I can figure out what is wrong (bearing or otherwise) I should be able to get parts soon.
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Post by vintner on Jul 11, 2012 9:53:58 GMT -6
Another comment on your other thread about the pump. I had a pump on my rental property boiler where the motor would turn but the impeller would spin freely on the motor and no water would be pumped.
Scooter water pump is different, and yet the same. I don't know if it could happen that the impeller isn't fixed to the shaft, but if the shaft would spin without spinning the impeller, then you would have the problem of over heating (where the impeller not spinning at my rental property meant that they didn't get heat).
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Post by vintner on Jul 11, 2012 8:42:36 GMT -6
When I think head gasket, I think either coolant fluid getting into the oil or oil getting into the coolant, a loss of pressure in the head, and finally smoke usually at start up when oil or coolant gets into the cylinder and burns off when first started.
If the coolant is suspected of not flowing, it can be checked by disconnecting one side of the scoot radiator hose probably near the fill. Connect a garden hose to the scooter hose end that was removed. Turn on the garden hose to a low flow. If the water doesn't flow, the thermostat could be pulled and (I think) left out when the unit is assembled. Retry the garden hose flush. You should get water through the radiator and engine and dumping out the radiator fill cap. If you don't, something is plugged. If you do, (if the old method still works) you may want to check the thermostat with hot water on the stove to see if the thermostat opens at higher temps.
Hope I am not giving bad advice, but the cooling system isn't that much different than a car cooling system. It should be able to be verified about the same way.
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Post by vintner on Jul 11, 2012 6:16:10 GMT -6
Unverified as this writing, but I think my top bearing for the front shaft is gone.
I pulled out the scoot this morning ready for my ride to work. Before I got to the end of the driveway, I could feel the handlebars were unstable, shifting and shaking. I checked the wheel/tire, and fork area but nothing was there.
The reason I feel it is the bearing (and again, I have not opened anything up yet) is that when I brake hard, the shaft and handlebars shift and feel loose like the bearing just isn't fit properly. I am guessing that the braking may have worked the bearing assembly up and out of the area where it had been pressed into place.
Does anyone have experience in this area? Is the bearing pressed into place? If so, I will need tools. If this is something I can fix, are parts available? If this is going to be too extensive a project, I will need to take it to someone, and so far, I haven't found a good shop in Minneapolis area. I also don't know how I will get it anywhere with the problem.
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Post by vintner on Jul 9, 2012 6:29:13 GMT -6
Rich, When I removed the hockey puck fuel pump, I used one of the holes to mount the new pump and did drill an additional hole for the second mounting tab. To be honest, the job would have gone much faster had I grabbed the corded drill and not the cordless drill. The battery would hit the frame so I tried an extension for the drill bit. The corded drill would work just fine without a drill bit extension. That was a 'duh' moment.
I'll attempt to post pictures soon.
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Post by vintner on Jul 8, 2012 12:18:26 GMT -6
Fuel pump went well and does make a difference on take off from stop as well as the upper end running. Happy with that addition.
Fixed the throttle cable and it now functions as it should. It is much more comfortable to operate.
Counteract balance beads didn't do it for me. At 50 mph and over, the front tire shakes through the handlebars. I will try removing the magnet I added for the bike speedometer and see if it makes any difference. I have to get this smoothed out somehow.
Is this going to come down to removing the wheel from the bike and static balancing? Now that I have the beads in the tire, it is this going to throw off any balancing weight effects?
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Post by vintner on Jul 7, 2012 7:57:50 GMT -6
I don't post much, but thought I would provide an update.
1) I took the MN Motorcycle Safety Foundation and have passed the classes. I will have my new license soon. I took the test on their motorcycle and am still amazed that I passed. That tight box was hard for me to balance, not sure why, but I did it.
2) Some over 750 miles on the YY250T scooter. It has been a great ride to work. No riding this past week, 90-102 degrees is just too hot.
3) I have added LED front blinkers, big improvement on visibility. I have replaced the spark plug (looked a little lean). I have put on a bike speedometer and now know my actual speed.
4) Today, I am adding the Mr Gasket 42S fuel pump. I have had a problem at take off from a stop when I crank open the throttle. I also need to adjust the throttle cable (too much slop) and will add Counteract balancing beads to the front wheel. Maybe the magnet I glued to the wheel for the bike speedometer is throwing off my balance, but I hope the beads smooth the ride.
I get on the site and read a fair amount. From what I have figured out, I have the Honda Clone engine. I do need to research further for the valve adjustment, (external slide valve adjustment), not I have been doing it from feel and sound, but I believe there is a better way.
Thank you all for the helpful posts and especially the pictures and youtube videos. A picture is worth the the thousand words and very helpful on finding 'where that thing is'.
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Post by vintner on Apr 24, 2012 6:48:27 GMT -6
Thanks.
I'll contact you sometime and maybe the DW can meet us some where for dinner/drinks or just stories.
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Post by vintner on Apr 18, 2012 7:35:40 GMT -6
Yeah! I have my plates! I found the reason the scoot wouldn't start. There is a fuse block near the battery with 4 fuses. I had pulled each out, checked things over and replaced them. The terminals in the fuse block were not properly seated and two of them terminals were pushed in so the fuse didn't make contact. I was able to pull out the block, push the fuse contact terminals in place and it started right up.
Saturday, when the weather is warmer and it isn't raining, I am taking the scoot to a nearby parking lot to just get some back and forth runs to learn the handling before I get onto the traffic.
And on a side note (referencing my sig line) after a couple hours working on the scoot last night, I put a homemade pizza on the big green egg last. That was some good eating.
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Post by vintner on Apr 16, 2012 16:34:19 GMT -6
Update-Went to a different DMV office. 'No problem' she told me. She filled out all the paperwork. Now all we need is...oops, you don't have the engine number, we need that. Whew, that I can get (once I find it) and get that to her. At least I am not having to truck it 20 miles to have someone inspect it.
I should have the legal documents to drive it tomorrow, once I fix my mistake from yesterday, but that is another story for another thread.
Thanks for the suggestions on getting the scoot licensed.
I appreciate all the info on this forum. My next search will be on what I did that the scoot won't even turn over now. Something got unplugged.
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Post by vintner on Apr 13, 2012 17:56:09 GMT -6
Hi, newbie here. Name is Don, or vintner (winemaker) I have a YY250T.
I have finally received my paperwork from MX Motorsports. So I head off to the DVS to get the scooter registered.
They tell me 'No', there is not the right statement on the Certificate of Origin. They are telling me I have to take the scoot to St. Paul to the DMV headquarters to have it inspected to see if it can be registered, to see if it meets safety requirements.
This can not be the first YY250T or MC-54-250 to try to get registered, so why is this an issue? Did I go to the wrong location that are reading the rules differently?
Someone in MN help me, where did you get your scooter licensed?
A week and a half in the garage and I still can't get it on the streets (or get my car in the garage, but that is another problem). Help me out.
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