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Post by vintner on Oct 19, 2012 8:21:01 GMT -6
You may also need to check voltage going to the solenoid. There should be (not positive on the scooter) wires to engage solenoid (smaller wires) and wires to turn over starter (bigger wires). It maybe that the solenoid is being powered which is why the starter runs. I would do that first before banging on parts.
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Post by vintner on Sept 15, 2012 17:42:20 GMT -6
I put 165 miles on my my Jetmax today with a scooter club, and it was a great ride. I got 73 miles per gallon, it ran great and handled the hills, curves and speed just as well as the 400 and 650cc machines on the ride.
On side note-I work for a company that has product built in China by 3 or 4 companies depending on the product needed. The product is built to our companies standards and product is inspected. The products are used anywhere from industrial to consumer electronic or even medical equipment. Properly documented procedures, training and inspection an produce good product. If the scooter companies do not spend the time for documenting, training and inspecting, then the quality isn't there. The Jonway YY250T is dead (to me), long live the Jetmax!
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by: vintner - Sept 15, 2012 17:25:01 GMT -6
Post by vintner on Sept 15, 2012 17:25:01 GMT -6
It fits fine on the stem but I did add more padding to make it fit. I had considered cutting the housing over the handlebars to add it properly, but I am glad I didn't.
But the more I use the case, the more disappointed in the plastic front. While I will agree with JCT842 (somewhat), a GPS may not be super bright, however, I can see the GPS when it is not in the case. I went on a 165 miles scooter ride today and used my cell phone because I couldn't get the GPS power working with the scooter. I got home fine, so it was bright enough for me. This model I own may not be your best choice because of the case.
Couple things to think of as you look for your model: You need to look your equipment (GPS or cell phone) size. What will match it? The hardware you buy needs to hold your electronics secure. Not only does it need to grab it, it can't shake loose when going over bumps. Anything that can shake should have hardware that backs it up (rope or nuts that secure pieces together). Do you currently have any hardware that you may want to use and just need mating hardware? Maybe you only need pieces to make the system. That is essentially what I have done with my case and what NickP looks like he is doing also. Good way to go if you have the other hardware.
Couple things I learned today: Need to add power for GPS or cell phones. I am looking into adding a 12V power outlet as well as learning what the USB connector on the scoot will do for me. Need to look at adding something to the seat for those longer rides. Fun ride, but got a little tough at the end of the ride.
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by: vintner - Sept 14, 2012 19:54:03 GMT -6
Post by vintner on Sept 14, 2012 19:54:03 GMT -6
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by: vintner - Sept 14, 2012 8:17:44 GMT -6
Post by vintner on Sept 14, 2012 8:17:44 GMT -6
The problem with a scooter is where and how to mount a GPS. You can't mount it on the handlebars like you could on a motorcycle since a lot of scooters have the handlebars under plastic. If there was an open area, there are plenty of mounting options for on the handlebars.
I bought a mount from Amazon (I love Amazon, I should be a part owner as much as I have bought through them). I have it mounted on the mirror shaft. I bought a model that has a water resistant case that fits onto that mount. I can use that case or my cell phone auto dock. I have only done a couple rides with the GPS or cell phone mounted, but they are secure and didn't cause any problems while riding.
As far as theft, I don't know. The GPS can be removed and hidden, the mount is visible but not obvious. I don't know that it will be any worse than not having the mount showing.
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Post by vintner on Sept 12, 2012 19:00:34 GMT -6
Once I figure out HOW to get to the brake lights, there will be no problem adding in the module. The Jetmax is more complex on removing the skins to get to the brake light assembly then the Jonway which took only a few screws to get to the soft underbelly (so to speak). I am not sure how to get to the back end off to get to the brake harness and to add the extra LEDs. I believe I am one of a few with this model scooter so I am not getting feedback about how to do the things to the scoot that I hope to do.
So, I will be the contributor for this model scooter. It will take me time to learn it in order to contribute to the forum about it.
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Post by vintner on Sept 12, 2012 7:16:45 GMT -6
I know there is no fool proof prevention for idiot drivers rear ending my scoot, but after being rear ended on the last one, I had decided that an easy and relatively inexpensive add on is the flashing brake lights from the Back-Off module. I want to add 2 LED lights a little higher on the scooter and make all the LEDs flash. www.amazon.com/Signal-Dynamics-Brake-Module-1004/dp/B001F85OUM/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1347455666&sr=1-1Mode one emits 3 short flashes followed by one long flash (3.5 seconds); Repeats as long as brakes are applied Mode two emits 5 short flashes followed by a steady on light; light remains on until brakes are released. I have checked the internet and it sees that most bikes/bikers use the mode 2 option. From my first check of the Jetmax, it looks as this isn't going to be really easy, but I think for a couple hours work and about $50 for the LEDs and the Back Off module, it will be worth it.
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Post by vintner on Sept 12, 2012 7:05:11 GMT -6
Agree on both problems.
Leaves on the street are bad when dry, but when wet, they are very slippery. And where do wet leaves like to gather? They lay in waiting on corners and near curbs, just waiting for me to round the corner. Slow down and stay safe.
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Post by vintner on Sept 12, 2012 6:38:05 GMT -6
Thanks spandi.
When you do the install, be sure to have good epoxy type glue. Super glue may not do it since it doesn't have 'fill' characteristics. The magnet is spinning around really fast, and will create a lot of force. You need good holding power for it to stay in place as well as another blob of epoxy to keep the sensor positioned.
Having the magnet closer to the center of the wheel is better than having the magnet further out like on the rim near the tire. For the same tire rotation, the inner position may move 3 inches where the rim position may move 9 inches or more. Note-Numbers are representation only and not based on any mounting or actual measurement but inside positioning moves much less distance and so is a safer place to put the magnet.
To get the tire travel, I put the valve stem at the bottom of the tire. I have a 5 foot ruler that I laid down to measure stem down to stem down distance. I converted that to mm and had my numbers to enter into the bike speedometer.
The head of the unit normally mounts on a bike handlebars. There are 4 tiny screws on the back that when removed will allow the handlebar mount to be removed. I dabbed a couple drops of epoxy on the back (where the screws were removed) and used that to mount on the instrument panel. That is the last step in the installation, you don't want to be gluing this in place before all cables are positioned or you may find you can't route the cable well.
Finally, when the glue is cured, twist the speedometer/computer head into the receiver and you are ready to try it out.
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Post by vintner on Sept 11, 2012 6:54:01 GMT -6
Driving home in the wind yesterday got me thinking about driving conditions we face in our open environment machines.
Wind-affects the machine, rider must change riding angle to lean into the wind, strong gusts are hard to predict and compensate for. It has been known to blow riders into a different lane.
Rain-affects tires and rider. One thing I am always concerned about it loosing contact with the road. Braking and turns require good grip of tires to the road, but rain (sand, gravel, snow, etc) affects that grip. I slow down which helps with turns and braking. Of course, I the rider doesn't have rain gear, it makes driving in the rain uncomfortable. Driving without a helmet and face shield would be even worse.
Temperature-Hot or Cold. Layers can go on to a point and layers can come off to a point. Beyond that point, you are uncomfortable. Cold may be worse than hot because you can become numb making controlling the bike more difficult. Concentration also decreases when you are uncomfortable. Living in Minnesota, there are many days where I drive in cold weather. That makes it hard on exposed skin (like un-gloved hands).
For me, wind can be worse than rain, cold is worse than hot and sitting on a couch is worse than scooting on a nice day.
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Post by vintner on Sept 6, 2012 18:32:42 GMT -6
This is a picture of my bike speedometer on my instrument panel. The cable is routed down the steering column shaft area and out to the right fork near the regular speedometer cable.
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Post by vintner on Sept 6, 2012 17:32:23 GMT -6
Yes, it is bent or it isn't being positioned (locked) right. It should be closer to vertical. If your foot step where you step the stand down into place was not there, it looks as it would go past center and up the other way towards the front. There should be a mechanical stop that should keep it from going past center (or plus or minus a few degrees off center).
If my Jonway wasn't STILL in the shop getting the plastics replaced, I would check the assembly to see what is there to offer suggestions.
Honestly, this looks like it could be difficult just because of the working conditions. If you could lay the bike in its side, it would be easier, but doing the repairs without some sold support to keep the bike in place while you make repairs is a very important step.
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Post by vintner on Sept 5, 2012 20:10:39 GMT -6
Well, I made it through the first oil change at the 300 mile mark and thought this is the time to provide an opinion post. Since I am comparing it (in part) to my experience on my Jonway YY250T, it may not compare with other opinions.
This is heavier than the Jonway, bigger and beefier. It is also a lot more machine than the Jonway.
I had upgraded the Jonway by adding a electric fuel pump which added to the throttle range, but the Jetmax whoops its butt. This thing has get up and go all the way through the throttle range. I have not opened it up yet, but have had it up to 70mph. On a good day, I could get the Jonway up to just over 60mph.
Handling-Hmmm. I am not sure on this. I swear I could turn tighter or faster on the Jonway, but not sure. I do know that I have made corners on the Jetmax where I have scrapped on the road.
Comfort-I probably fit the Jetmax a little better. It has a nice back stop on the seat and the seat height is right for me. Getting on and off seems to be a little better on the Jetmax, better leg swing area.
Paneling-Seems tighter and better fitting on the Jetmax. The front skins come off in multiple sections; front, right half and left half vs. Jonway front and full cowling. There are a couple screws on the Jetmax that are a b*tch because of positioning, and replacing a headlight bulb isn't fun, but I have replaced the 35W with 60/55W bulbs. Smaller hands would eliminate having to pull off the panels.
MPG-about the same. I am getting (last fill) 63mpg. That is about the same as the smaller and less powerfull Jonway.
And as far as the oil change, this Jetmax has oil drain plug, paper oil filter and a primary oil screen filer. More filtration and more time to change oil than the Jonway. But, better oil filtration means it is better oil going to the engine.
(typing has got more difficult, dog has decided to have close time with me making the laptop not in the same position-she is old, I let her have what she wants).
Flaws-A few: 1) No luggage rack. I can get something from China, but it isn't cheap. Point to Jonway, cheap and includes luggage rack and top box. There is space under the seat, but not enough for my needs. 2) No Trip Odometer and of course, speedometer is not accurate. What the heck. How could you put that much into an instrument panel and not include a trip odometer? I added a bike speedometer to get correct speedometer and a trip odometer. 3) Glove compartment/front storage. Cheap. The door is very thin and bends easy. Don't store anything in there that you want to protect. The seal isn't good, so no water resistant seal.
I am expecting more years from the Jetmax and hoping to sell the Jonway as soon as it comes back from the repair shop where it is getting all new rear skins, fender, mud guard, etc.
I like my Jetmax very much and glad I have it. Sorry it took a woman not watching the road to cause me to get it.
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Post by vintner on Aug 10, 2012 17:51:59 GMT -6
Well, anyway, I did it.
Yesterday I sat on a Kymco Downtown 300i. Solid, sharp looking, feels good sitting on it. Their price was $6443 out the door. Sticker shock and I had to pass.
Today, I went to Go Moto and did my sitting on the Jetmax. Fit was actually a little better sitting, storage area was fine. Also listened to one running, sounded fine. Price-a lot better. Out the door $3500. I told him yes on it and will be picking it up tomorrow.
With the nearly $3000 saved, I have hired painters for the house. I am too old and my knees too bad to be going up and down a ladder.
New Jetmax Scooter and house freshly painted for the price of the Kymco Downtown-Win win.
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Post by vintner on Aug 9, 2012 6:18:11 GMT -6
This HP issue is something that has confused me when I look at specs. When I first started looking for a scoot oh so long ago (March), I would see 250cc scoots generally with16-18 HP rating. Now I see scoots with 250cc is 22HP. I understand the bore and stroke and crankshaft all go into the ratings, but maybe HP should be listed as highly as cc. Although in cars, they are displaying the engine size on the decals on the car. Of course, my 4 cyl. Saturn Vue does not proudly display 2.2l.
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